Timeline for What makes "Voter ID laws" so controversial in the US?
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| Jun 5, 2018 at 21:28 | comment | added | phoog | @Evargalo That's your French point of view, not European. As far as I know, France is the only EU country that issues free identity cards. In the Netherlands, for example, they cost €51 if you live in the country or €118 if you live abroad. | |
| Jun 5, 2018 at 20:51 | comment | added | Flydog57 | @Brythan, Re: driver's licenses also do not require proof of citizenship No, but "REAL ID" driver's licenses do require that you prove your immigration status (so, for citizens, they need to prove they are citizens). Not all drivers' licenses need to be REAL ID licenses, but most REAL ID licensed states only offer the REAL ID variety. A state could offer a less-than-real-id license, but the bearer couldn't use it to get on an airplane or enter a federal facility. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act | |
| Mar 28, 2018 at 13:15 | comment | added | Evargalo | "Those who do not already have a copy of their birth certificate may have to pay a fee to get one. A price of $30 has been asserted." -> I think this is the more shocking fact for my European (French) point of view. Article 15 of the declaration of Human Rights states that Everyone has the right to a nationality. Doesn't everyone have the right to get a paper proving his nationality ? en.wikisource.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights | |
| Jan 23, 2018 at 0:17 | comment | added | Brythan | Talking about blacks in rural areas only makes sense in the south's cotton belt. In the north, blacks are overwhelmingly urban. Beyond that, in rural areas, people need driver's licenses for reasons other than voting. I've heard people make the rural claim before, but IMO it's more about access to services than voting. It's urban areas where people can get along without a driver's license and where most of the black population lives in most states. | |
| Jan 22, 2018 at 17:50 | comment | added | BradC | @O.R.Mapper In both cases the problem is transportation, but the details are different. Poor in urban areas are generally more reliant on public transportation schedules and routes. DMVs in urban areas might be closer, but service a much larger population, so are busier and more difficult to service in a reasonable time. When you take into account changes to hours and even DMV closings in minority communities (see Alabama), it is hard to think it isn't deliberate. | |
| Jan 22, 2018 at 10:48 | comment | added | O. R. Mapper | "Voter ID laws disproportionately restrict urban voters, who are much less likely to own a car and have a driver's license." - could you elaborate on that a little bit, please? Especially in light of @phoog's comment above that claims: "I'm unaware of these laws being an issue in cities. Most of the coverage I've seen concerning disenfranchisement of poorer voters has covered the rural poor and their need to drive for hours to reach an office where they can get an ID." Maybe both statements are true somehow. | |
| Dec 13, 2017 at 3:40 | history | edited | Brythan | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jan 21, 2017 at 18:36 | comment | added | Brythan | And yet, it was Democrats who insisted on coupling voter registration with drivers' licenses. See the motor voter law. And that still doesn't address the question of requiring ID itself, only of providing access to ID. Note that a passport is pretty universally accepted as an option and can be obtained from the federal government. So if it were really an issue, the federal government could have addressed it directly. Possibly in conjunction with the Democrats who control city governments. | |
| Jan 21, 2017 at 17:57 | comment | added | agc | RMVs as registration bodies makes sense only for spead-out areas where cars are common (and feasible). Surely car drivers would be appalled if they were required to register for voter IDs in subway stations. | |
| Jan 20, 2017 at 16:21 | comment | added | user9790 | You can register in some states with a water bill on-line. | |
| Jan 20, 2017 at 16:02 | comment | added | phoog | Brythan: driver's licenses also do not require proof of citizenship. The only IDs that require proof of US citizenship are passports (including passport cards) and enhanced DLs (which can substitute for US passports when crossing the land border). | |
| Jan 20, 2017 at 15:58 | comment | added | phoog | @Cerpetsmoker in particular the I-9 form doesn't require proof of citizenship; it is for verification of employment eligibility. Being a US citizen is only one way of being eligible for employment, and of course the other routes to eligibility do not carry with them the right to vote. | |
| Jan 20, 2017 at 8:19 | comment | added | user1530 | Not a bad answer but has technical errors. An ID is not required to get a job. In general, there are more urban voters, but ID laws also greatly affect rural poor as well | |
| Jan 20, 2017 at 2:53 | comment | added | user11249 |
an ID is also required to start at a job (form I-9 to prove citizenship) -> According to the Wikipedia page you can also use other documents. For example, a School I.D. + Social Security Card should also be fine for the proposes of the I-9 form.
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| Jan 20, 2017 at 2:31 | history | answered | Brythan | CC BY-SA 3.0 |