Timeline for Is NATO obliged to invoke Article 5 if one of its members attacks another member?
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| Jun 7, 2022 at 15:36 | comment | added | Criticizing Israel not allowed | @Overmind Opposite of prescient. | |
| Jun 7, 2022 at 14:40 | comment | added | reirab | @user253751 Well, to be fair, it wasn't so much prescient as just thinking of the last time they did this... | |
| Jun 7, 2022 at 14:01 | comment | added | Criticizing Israel not allowed | @reirab Prescient. | |
| Apr 25, 2017 at 12:56 | vote | accept | JonathanReez | ||
| Apr 19, 2017 at 12:38 | comment | added | Overmind | Look at it both historically and strategically. Historically, NATO should not exist anymore. They lack the enemy they were created to 'protect' from. Strategically, look here: globalfirepower.com/countries-listing-nato-members.asp ; remove 4 and 10, ignore 1 and 8 and you're left with what ? Btw, 7,11,14,16 and everyone 19-26 will not stay for long. | |
| Apr 19, 2017 at 12:26 | comment | added | David Richerby | @Overmind "without Greece and Turkey, there is no NATO" [citation needed]. Greece and Turkey joined primarily because they were worried about their communist neighbours, and that was their primary strategic value to the alliance. NATO did just fine without Greece from 1974 to 1980, and it's not clear to me what, if any, fundamental role Greece plays today. Turkey provides air bases which are useful to US actions in the Middle East but those aren't NATO activities. I suppose Turkish control of the Bosphorus helps keep the Russian Black Sea Fleet in its box. | |
| Apr 19, 2017 at 12:19 | comment | added | David Richerby | @vsz The current aggression between Turkey and Greece is mostly them intercepting each other's military aircraft, which isn't something that can be attributed to "activists who say they're loyal to us." I suppose activists could occupy one of the various small uninhabited islands that are disputed between the two countries but it's not clear how big a deal that would be. A Russia/Ukraine-style "We're totally not involved in your civil war" situation seems very unlikely, since Greece doesn't have big enough political divisions for Turkey to exploit, or enough money to exploit Turkish divisions. | |
| Apr 19, 2017 at 7:00 | answer | added | Peter | timeline score: 7 | |
| Apr 19, 2017 at 6:29 | comment | added | Overmind | @vsz, yes, that's one tactic. They can blame very easy pseudo-terrorists. That's why the high end politics actually decide who's guilty. And with the media propaganda support, it's settled. | |
| S Apr 19, 2017 at 6:00 | history | suggested | Andrew T. | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
add a link to 'Article 5' for convenience, because not everybody knows about it
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| Apr 18, 2017 at 22:50 | history | edited | Brythan | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Apr 18, 2017 at 19:40 | comment | added | Ross Ridge | Note that there's no "invocation" requirement in the North Atlantic Treaty, once one party has been attacked in Europe or North America, the other parties are obligated to respond. Strictly speaking it doesn't place any obligations on NATO itself, since its not a signatory to the treaty. The organization is just the framework the parties put in place to help organize a collective defence and, if necessary, a collective response. | |
| Apr 18, 2017 at 19:16 | comment | added | reirab | @vsz "Oh, and, by the way, we're annexing the land that these completely independent activists just took over in your country because they voted that they wanted us to." | |
| Apr 18, 2017 at 18:37 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackPolitics/status/854403458077687809 | ||
| Apr 18, 2017 at 14:12 | comment | added | vsz | @Overmind : that's not a trivial thing to decide, as officially declared wars seem to be a thing of the past. Today it's more in the style of "We did not attack you! There are some activists fighting in your country claiming to be loyal to us, but we have nothing to do with them, they did what they did out of their own free initiative.". | |
| Apr 18, 2017 at 12:24 | comment | added | Overmind | It really depends on who is declared the aggressor and that's usually decided politically, not realistically. Either way, without Greece and Turkey, there is no NATO. | |
| Apr 18, 2017 at 10:00 | comment | added | Bregalad | Related (but different) question: If Turkey enters in war, are other NATO members obligated to assist her? | |
| Apr 18, 2017 at 8:38 | answer | added | user11249 | timeline score: 45 | |
| Apr 18, 2017 at 7:09 | history | asked | JonathanReez | CC BY-SA 3.0 |