Timeline for A Spanish judge has jailed two key members of the Catalan independence movement. Have others been ever accused and convicted for sedition?
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| Aug 29, 2019 at 9:09 | vote | accept | fedorqui | ||
| Oct 21, 2017 at 12:17 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackPolitics/status/921712125109850112 | ||
| Oct 18, 2017 at 8:47 | comment | added | SJuan76 | And of course, even non-political events that involve lots of people (say, music concerts, or even more regular events like football matchs that gather large crowds) must be notified and are subject to restrictions, mostly in order to ensure public safety (send police to regulate vehicle trafic, coordination for emergencies, define the maximum number of people who can safely attend, etc...). | |
| Oct 18, 2017 at 8:42 | comment | added | SJuan76 | hayderecho.com/2012/10/03/…; in short it was not a "gathering of people" but a rally, demonstration (it had a political intention) and as such it requires notification and can be rescinded if needed -and yes, a rally with the object of preventing police force would not have been allowed-. Not that it happens often (as proof, all of the manifestations that happen every day), most issues are mostly preventing the rally from going near some conflictive spot. | |
| Oct 18, 2017 at 8:19 | comment | added | fedorqui | @SJuan76 how come do you say demonstrations on September 20 were illegal? Under what circumstances a gathering of people would be illegal? // Agreed regarding competence issues. | |
| Oct 18, 2017 at 8:13 | comment | added | SJuan76 | @fedorqui The demonstrations were illegal and prevented the police force to leave the building they were at, until more police forces were ushered it, and the accused organized the demonstrations and kept them going. Whether those facts are the basis for a sedition charge or a lesser one of resistence to authority is something that I am not very sure about(I certainly will be glad to see a more precise definition of the limit), but that is why it must be proven in trial (or, if not proven, proceed with their absolution). And competence issues should be resolved through appeals. | |
| Oct 18, 2017 at 8:00 | comment | added | fedorqui | @SJuan76 the demonstrations did not try to stop police work, they gathered around the place they were doing their work. By the way, I just read that supposedly the Audiencia Nacional is not competent to judge this case and, also, the charges used to put them in provisional prison have received many accusations for their bias and appear unsubstantial. | |
| Oct 18, 2017 at 7:42 | comment | added | SJuan76 | @Communisty Sedition is just a form of interference with the police, the main difference being that sedition is done collectively (more than 30 people). And I do not know of any country (democratic or not) where interfering to or trying to stop police work is not punishable. At any rate, that people has not yet been convicted, they have been charged and have been denied bail (hint: if you are ever accused and have to go before a judge, avoid stating publicly that you do not acknowledge the judge's authority. It makes it seem as if you will keep doing whatever you have been charged with). | |
| Oct 18, 2017 at 7:17 | comment | added | fedorqui | @Communisty agreed. Over 200K people demonstrated yesterday in Barcelona against the decision: Catalonia: Protests after Spain detains separatists. It is also worth explaining that the Civil Guard was not prevented from doing their job and these two people are shown in videos asking people to let the police leave the building. | |
| Oct 18, 2017 at 7:14 | comment | added | Communisty | IMO sedition sounds absurd to be an actual reason for conviction in a democratic country. | |
| Oct 18, 2017 at 6:18 | history | edited | fedorqui | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
condenado -> convicted (I used "condemned")
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| Oct 17, 2017 at 15:43 | answer | added | Rekesoft | timeline score: 4 | |
| Oct 17, 2017 at 15:41 | comment | added | Peter Taylor | condenado in this context would more typically be translated convicted. | |
| Oct 17, 2017 at 13:36 | history | edited | fedorqui |
I missed the Catalonia tag
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| Oct 17, 2017 at 13:13 | comment | added | fedorqui | @SJuan76 yes! Rebellion would also work. In fact, I thought rebellion was less than sedition. In ¿Qué son los delitos de sedición y rebelión? I see they mention these thresholds you commented, and also indicate that rebellion (sedition + violence) would imply up to 25 years. | |
| Oct 17, 2017 at 12:51 | comment | added | SJuan76 | Would rebellion count? Because from the law(Spanish link), sedition is a lesser form of rebellion. In any case, from reading the law, the 15 year maximum time is appliable only to authorities and neither Jordi Sánchez and Jordi Cuixart count as "authorities"; the actual maximum they could face is 10 years. | |
| Oct 17, 2017 at 12:33 | history | asked | fedorqui | CC BY-SA 3.0 |