Timeline for What are the benefits for the US in declaring Jerusalem as Israel's capital?
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| Feb 22, 2018 at 4:29 | history | undeleted | Sam I am says Reinstate Monica | ||
| Feb 21, 2018 at 10:38 | history | deleted | grovkin | via Vote | |
| Dec 12, 2017 at 18:32 | comment | added | JoelFan | How is it an "opinion" that all the government institutions (parliament, president, supreme court, ministry headquarters) are in Jerusalem, none in any other city, and this has been the case since Israel has been founded? Many Israelis (unless they are very politically astute) have no idea that their capital is in doubt by other countries. The concept that it is not the capital is a political fiction, done just to save others' feelings... similar to pretending that Taiwan is part of China. Just the fact that every country supports the political fiction does not make it an "opinion" | |
| Dec 10, 2017 at 23:58 | comment | added | user1530 | I'm not dismissing your opinion. I'm saying it's just an opinion. One shared by some in the US Federal Government. Not one necessarily shared by most of the rest of the planet. In fact, we're the only nation that even thinks we should have an embassy there: cnn.com/2017/12/05/middleeast/trump-jerusalem-explainer-intl/… Again...not dismissing your opinion. But it is very much a minority opinion. Not universal fact. | |
| Dec 10, 2017 at 22:56 | comment | added | grovkin | @blip, it's my opinion only in as much as I am the one holding it. But that's not enough to dismiss it. If you want to say that it is only my opinion, then you'd have a case that it is not a fact. But it's not. It's an observation of what is currently the case. From all the language used by the President, the US embassador to the UN, and the State Department, it's a reflection of the facts. Israel is governed (as a country) from Jerusalem. Israel is a country. That makes Jerusalem Israel's capital. These are observable phenomena. Pretending otherwise is counter productive. | |
| Dec 10, 2017 at 22:48 | comment | added | user1530 | It's your opinion that this is a 'fact' and is the 'most honest way of looking at it'. It's not an incorrect opinion, but it's just an opinion, and by no means universal or even a majority opinion. And that's the issue. There is no absolute truth in this situation. Never has been. There may never be. | |
| Dec 10, 2017 at 21:43 | comment | added | grovkin | @blip, it's not a support of one side over the other though. It's recognition of how things are in the most honest way possible. The administration didn't abandon long-term goals of creating a mutually-acceptable solution. It simply recognized the status quo as de facto permanent. Which does not mean that things can't be recognized to be different if they change. Opinions may differ. Facts are facts. Treating the situation based on facts, rather than on opinions on how facts should change, is also more practical. | |
| Dec 10, 2017 at 17:35 | comment | added | user1530 | how things "are" in geopolitical terms is open to vastly different points of view. And deciding that no progress has been made, therefore we'll just pick one side to support is obviously arbitrary, at best. | |
| Dec 10, 2017 at 13:45 | comment | added | grovkin | @blip, recognizing things for what they are, rather than for what you wish they were or what others wish they were, is generally the most practical solution. The benefit to the US is simply in viewing the world for what it is rather than for what it appears to others who are looking through a lens of some hysteria de jour. Instead of picking which version of wishful thinking we ascribe to, we now get to act according to how things are. That's practical by the definition of "practical". | |
| Dec 9, 2017 at 3:30 | comment | added | user1530 | How, exactly, is this the "most practical solution"? This doesn't answer the question as to what the US gains from this. | |
| Dec 8, 2017 at 19:04 | history | answered | grovkin | CC BY-SA 3.0 |