Timeline for What's the point in holding a second Brexit referendum?
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| Oct 2, 2018 at 10:19 | comment | added | bandybabboon | Ultimately, an economic and capitalistic union of homogeneity is degrading European cultures into a consumerist homogenous mess with mechanized tax havens, France and the UK are more "made in china" and "contains glucose syrup and palm oil" than ever before. If the aim of the European Union were primarily based on non-monetary measures of a healthy society, I would be happy with it;) At the moment, megafactory mass produced goods and foods occupy 95% of consumption, and are mostly owned by multinational conglomerates. | |
| Oct 2, 2018 at 9:48 | comment | added | gerrit | @com.prehensible I am confused. Brexit is completely a self-inflicted wound and the pressure for a second referendum is entirely domestic from people who try to stop the UK jumping off a cliff. The EU-27 has presented post-Brexit UK with options compatible with EU rules, UK has the arrogance to insist EU changes its rules to benefit a non-member (future UK), and is upset when it doesn't. If you want to export to the EU you have to meet EU rules (duh!). | |
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| Oct 2, 2018 at 8:12 | comment | added | bandybabboon | Nononono!!! The EU only existed since 1993, previously it was called the European Economic Community. It's entire mission and constitution was different. The EC referendum was therefore different from the EU referendum because the EU was defined by 2-3 constitnutional expansions, which took control of UK supreme courts, and UK border decision, EC was called "Common Market" in the UK, Maarstricht and Lisbon became: also justice, immigration, border controls, benefits systems, automobile laws. EC is not the same as EU 41 years later. | |
| Oct 2, 2018 at 7:56 | comment | added | Annatar | @com.prehensible You give the best example yourself. The 2016 referendum over-ruled the 1975 referendum (which asked the exact same question, broadly speaking) and this is totally fine in a democracy. | |
| Oct 2, 2018 at 7:56 | comment | added | bandybabboon | @annatar The referendum question of the second would be the same as the first: Do you wish to come out of the EU? (broadly speaking), so the only results would be A/void the first referendum decision and B/continue with the first referendum decision. | |
| Oct 2, 2018 at 7:51 | comment | added | Annatar | @com.prehensible Laws over-rule/void/reverse older laws all the time. Elections are not about single questions, true. But they are a (presumably) necessary simplification (instead of voting on every single question themselves, voters choose delegates to do their work for them) derived from the original idea, not the original idea itself! | |
| Oct 2, 2018 at 7:50 | comment | added | bandybabboon | @gerrit 1975, first ECommunity referendum in the UK: ELECTION PROMISE by harold wilson. 2016, ELECTION PROMISE by David Cameron, first EU referendum in the uk, second referendum since 1975, 41 years after the first. Today, ELECTION PROMISE for a 2021, second referendum, because of a diplomatic war with brussels to prevent brexit, which would reverse/void the 2016 referendum. Will the UK common folk agree that border control is more important than stocks and shares? It's highly unlikely that the UK plebiscite will stoop to Brussels and hand over their strong island borders. | |
| Oct 2, 2018 at 7:32 | comment | added | bandybabboon | @Annatar It over-rules/voids/reverses the first referendum. If referendums were elections, they could organize referendums every 4-5 years in the UK. Elections are not Yes or No regarding national independence, or constitutional change. | |
| Oct 1, 2018 at 11:35 | comment | added | gerrit | The point of promising another referendum shortly after the first, is a politician's election tool, to cater for foreign pressures that are opposed to the results of the first referendum, and obey international diplomatic pressure to reverse the result of the first referendum, that sounds entirely wrong, and at very least needs to be backed up. | |
| Sep 28, 2018 at 11:06 | comment | added | Annatar | "It voids the result and the authenticity of the first referendum." No, it doesn't. It's a key element of democracy that the sovereign is allowed to change its mind, especially when circumstances change (e.g. promises turn out to be unfullfillable). Same reasoning for having elections every 4-5 years instead of 40-50. | |
| Sep 26, 2018 at 16:03 | comment | added | bandybabboon | It was one of his election promises for his campaign. The new referendum is also an election promise. | |
| Sep 26, 2018 at 16:00 | comment | added | Jontia | I don't disagree, except it was less about popularity across the country than stopping the continual split in the Tory party along pro/anti-EU lines. The Referendum was supposed to leave DC in charge of a conservative party with one of its major causes of internal strife removed. And we can see how well that's worked out. | |
| Sep 26, 2018 at 15:55 | comment | added | bandybabboon | Brexit was a political stunt, David Cameron wished to have a mock referendum which would give him popularity and not change the constitution... He could have instead made a referendum about border control, legal subjugation to Brussels, or something like that, but he knew that the british would heavily vote agaisnt foreign border control and legal subjugation, so he chose an unreasonable mock referendum, which unexpectedly came to pass. | |
| Sep 26, 2018 at 15:52 | comment | added | bandybabboon | Yes I was having trouble finding an equivalent referendum. I just wrote constitutional rights instead. a referendum on constitution. | |
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