Timeline for Why can't the Brexit deadlock in the UK parliament be solved with a plurality vote?
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| Mar 21, 2019 at 11:42 | comment | added | Martin Bonner supports Monica | @Time4Tea No, parliament has not voted to give away its own sovereignty. The current deal would make it impossible for the UK to withdraw without breaking an international treaty. Parliament has sovereignty to choose to break treaties (although it very rarely does so). | |
| Mar 20, 2019 at 23:36 | comment | added | Joshua | @AShelly: Turns out that's easily breakable, but the backlash cost is far too high. It wasn't called the Nuclear Option for nothing. | |
| Mar 20, 2019 at 23:30 | comment | added | AShelly | " blocking something with a known outcome from reaching the floor doesn't look like a democracy anymore." Welcome to the US Senate. | |
| Mar 20, 2019 at 23:05 | history | edited | Joshua | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
name of the thing wasn't right
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| Mar 20, 2019 at 23:01 | comment | added | Joshua | @SteveMelnikoff: If a change to the Commons standing orders requires a majority vote to pass, the meaning of my answer is not changed. | |
| Mar 20, 2019 at 22:26 | comment | added | Steve Melnikoff | "There is quite simply no mechanism in Parliament for a plurality vote...In order to have a plurality vote you would need to first pass a bill". That's not true, for two reasons: (1) Matters of procedure are normally dealt with by changes to the Commons standing orders, not by legislation. Any changes can be permanent, for a limited time, or limited to a specific motion. (2) Other forms of voting are not alien to the House of Commons. In particular, the election of Speaker uses a form of exhaustive ballot. | |
| Mar 20, 2019 at 22:21 | comment | added | Frank Hopkins | @Time4Tea They may have conceded away some powers, but as this whole mess shows, not irrevocably. | |
| Mar 20, 2019 at 21:30 | comment | added | Joshua | @Time4Tea: You are now asking whether or not breaking a treaty is something Parliament can do. | |
| Mar 20, 2019 at 20:56 | comment | added | Time4Tea | It seems that Parliament is able to vote to give away its own sovereignty. After all, the UK has voted to concede many powers to the EU over the years. Also, the deal that has currently been agreed would apparently make it legally impossible for the UK to withdraw from the arrangement at a later date (which is one of the things MPs are so unhappy about, as it would seem to amount to a loss of sovereignty). | |
| Mar 20, 2019 at 20:47 | comment | added | Joshua | @Time4Tea: My understanding of Parliamentary sovereignty is that it is utterly impossible for an act of Parliament to bind Parliament such that can't be undone with the very next binding vote. | |
| Mar 20, 2019 at 20:39 | comment | added | Time4Tea | Couldn't this be addressed by simply making the plurality vote binding, and including in the bill that sets it up a clause stating that parliament cannot simply pass a bill to undo it straight afterwards, at least within the current session? | |
| Mar 20, 2019 at 18:08 | history | answered | Joshua | CC BY-SA 4.0 |