Timeline for Why does the United States have some of the best universities and tertiary education in the world yet only ranks average in K-12 education?
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| May 3, 2020 at 17:28 | history | edited | Martin Schröder | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 1, 2020 at 20:00 | answer | added | Eugene | timeline score: 2 | |
| Apr 30, 2020 at 12:00 | comment | added | Peter - Reinstate Monica | Because you cannot make money with elementary schools. | |
| Apr 30, 2020 at 2:00 | answer | added | reirab | timeline score: 8 | |
| Apr 29, 2020 at 19:38 | comment | added | Wayne Werner | Just gonna leave this here: forbes.com/sites/robertfarrington/2018/12/12/… | |
| Apr 29, 2020 at 16:20 | comment | added | RobertF | Don't forget the United States is a wealthy nation with a huge population so it has a larger student base (and hence more top tier students) and more money to spend on education. | |
| Apr 29, 2020 at 13:09 | comment | added | KRyan | @gerrit I don’t disagree with you at all about state universities, their importance, the significance of the student population handled, and so on. I also wasn’t necessarily talking about US state universities, though—for most states, those aren’t second-tier or third-tier or so on, but really towards the low end. Which is a huge problem, and also is a fair point about how those take more challenging students and make it easier for “higher-tier” schools to do well. But my impression remains, for strong-but-not-top-tier students, the US has more strong options available. | |
| Apr 29, 2020 at 9:46 | comment | added | gerrit | @KRyan I disagree with your impression, and I don't think the breadth, depth, or strength of, say US state universities are any better than the equivalent in Canada, UK, France, Germany, Netherlands, Sweden. I'd go even further and claim that university rankings are poorly correlated with quality of education, since only the best-performing students get in to "elite" universities in the first place, they actually give themselves a much easier job than universities that accept students more broadly. Thus, university rankings are not useful to assess quality of education. | |
| Apr 29, 2020 at 5:51 | comment | added | agc | Better to compare prep schools to universities. In the US public school is mandatory and universal, but universities are not. | |
| Apr 28, 2020 at 23:34 | answer | added | MarkusOreallyus | timeline score: 13 | |
| Apr 28, 2020 at 22:16 | comment | added | KRyan | @user4556274 My entirely-anecdotal-and-no-doubt-biased impression is that it’s actually below the top tier where US universities shine: many countries have stellar, top-tier schools (Oxford, Cambridge, and the Sorbonne come to mind), but the breadth, depth, and strength of second-tier, third-tier, etc. American universities is (it seems to me) unrivaled. | |
| Apr 28, 2020 at 19:19 | history | became hot network question | |||
| Apr 28, 2020 at 18:00 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackPolitics/status/1255195081520361472 | ||
| Apr 28, 2020 at 17:57 | answer | added | Ted Wrigley | timeline score: 18 | |
| Apr 28, 2020 at 14:34 | answer | added | Machavity | timeline score: 33 | |
| Apr 28, 2020 at 14:08 | comment | added | PoloHoleSet | Gotta think the "excessive tuition fueled by huge spending increases fueled by the building booms fueled by competition for tuition dollars" cycle that has made college out of reach for so many, financially, is part of the reason so many more US universities rank high. I'd guess universities in nations where government foots the tuition bills directly probably aren't as free to charge whatever they feel like, and have to be more judicious about how they spend. That's speculative on my part, though. | |
| Apr 28, 2020 at 13:43 | comment | added | Jontia | You're also looking at a huge range of methodologies for University ranking vs surveys of parents/academics asked "Is it better, the same or worse than" for the K-12 ranks. (As far as I can see from the links anyway). | |
| Apr 28, 2020 at 12:56 | comment | added | user4556274 | Are you comparing select universities ("some of the best") vs overall primary and secondary? How does secondary education in the U.S. compare if you take only the top 100-rated high schools? What about tertiary education if you include all options (research university, teaching, college, community, religious, for-profit)? | |
| Apr 28, 2020 at 11:36 | history | edited | Holiday_Chemistry | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
fixed grammar, elaborated a little more.
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| Apr 28, 2020 at 11:28 | comment | added | Holiday_Chemistry | @pjc50 also, foreign students make up a small minority of all students in universities | |
| Apr 28, 2020 at 11:27 | comment | added | Caleth | @pjc50 the obvious follow up is how do they do that? | |
| Apr 28, 2020 at 11:22 | comment | added | pjc50 | The universities attract staff and students from all over the world. The schools are local. | |
| Apr 28, 2020 at 11:01 | history | asked | Holiday_Chemistry | CC BY-SA 4.0 |