Timeline for Why does having a college degree make a difference to how white Americans vote?
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| Oct 26, 2020 at 15:55 | comment | added | nick012000 | @user4012 "My 401k dropped 0.1% due to a CEO fraud" is a fact but not an impactful one to a factory worker." Maybe not, but "I got defrauded by a Ponzi scheme and now I've lost my house" is, though, and those sorts of criminals often have hundreds or thousands of victims. | |
| Oct 26, 2020 at 15:32 | comment | added | DJClayworth | So a right wing president would never cut H1B, or make asylum claims harder, or ban immigration from certain countries? Or accuse Mexican legal immigrants of being rapists? I guess I must have just imagined the last four years. | |
| Oct 26, 2020 at 15:04 | comment | added | user4012 | @DJClayworth - I know left wing likes to straw-man right wing as "anti-immigration". That is just 100% slander and false. As a legal immigrant myself, I have NEVER met a single ringht winger who objected to me having immigrated. What the right wing objects is illegal immigrants - and indeed those are mostly lower educated and take manual jobs. Look up statistics on the topic | |
| Oct 26, 2020 at 15:02 | comment | added | user4012 | @nick012000 - and anecdotally, a LOT, LOT of software engineers whine about cheap H1Bs (mostly from India as the whining goes) lowering their salaries/taking their jobs. Whether they feel strongly enough about it to flip to Trump voters depends on their overall srtrength of other ideology, but the sentiment is the same there as for construction workers. | |
| Oct 26, 2020 at 14:59 | comment | added | user4012 | @nick012000 - problem is, (1) white collar criminals can't be stopped by Presidential level policy levels and (2) most blue collar workers don't see much impact from them. "My 401k dropped 0.1% due to a CEO fraud" is a fact but not an impactful one to a factory worker. | |
| Oct 23, 2020 at 9:51 | comment | added | marshal craft | It's really not about college vs non, it's about lazy vs hard working. | |
| Oct 23, 2020 at 9:50 | comment | added | marshal craft | This question raises a very interesting point. A pavor doesn't want to lose their job etc, and a college grad doesn't want to lose their slimmer job opportunities to a foreign phd, who then like wise, undermines the countries values. But today it seems the pavor hasn't lost their job yet, while all to often the college grad, never had one. It's a power struggle to take money. And by and large the non college educated has proven they are fully willing to sacrifice technology at the sake of not being financially shown up by a college grad. | |
| Oct 22, 2020 at 18:57 | comment | added | gerrit | Can you back this up with some evidence that those households are voting Republican because of them? I'm not saying it isn't true, but survey data might support your assertion it's a major factor. | |
| Oct 22, 2020 at 16:17 | comment | added | DJClayworth | Are we sure that immigrants have lower education than non-immigrants? I know plenty of immigrants that have college degrees, even the ones doing manual labor jobs. | |
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| Oct 22, 2020 at 6:11 | comment | added | nick012000 | @SolomonSlow "If somebody says, "I am afraid of criminals," they probably aren't thinking of illegal aliens, or tax evaders, or embezzlers" White collar criminals can do even more damage than violent criminals do, simply because their crimes can hurt thousands or millions of people. | |
| Oct 22, 2020 at 6:08 | comment | added | nick012000 | "So a person who paves roads for a living has more chances of losing his job towards cheaper labor from immigrants then for example a doctor or a lawyer." Maybe for those specific educated professions, because the US makes it insanely hard for a foreign doctor to be approved to practice, and law is specific to each country, but for educated workers like IT professionals, there's a significant pressure on them from immigrants (often from countries like India). | |
| Oct 22, 2020 at 0:21 | comment | added | Solomon Slow | @Ryan_L, What you say is technically true, but you are ignoring the fact that "criminal" has more than one meaning. If somebody says, "I am afraid of criminals," they probably aren't thinking of illegal aliens, or tax evaders, or embezzlers, etc. They probably are thinking of people who are inclined to commit violent crimes. | |
| Oct 22, 2020 at 0:14 | comment | added | Ryan_L | @PaulJohnson 100% of illegal immigrants are criminals, by definition. Illegal immigration is a crime. | |
| Oct 21, 2020 at 23:36 | comment | added | awsirkis | @PaulJohnson immigrants (12% pop) commit 40% of all federal offenses, however most crime (murder, rape, etc) is a state or local crime | |
| Oct 21, 2020 at 21:33 | comment | added | Shadur-don't-feed-the-AI | Except that the vast majority of drug smuggling happens over sea, not over land, so the wall is even more useless than it already is. | |
| Oct 21, 2020 at 18:09 | comment | added | A.bakker | @dsollen not an immigration, but still a border issue that is a high selling point for the republican party. Edited the answer to reflect that. | |
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| Oct 21, 2020 at 18:04 | comment | added | dsollen | I still feel even after your revision that the part about criminal element as written hurts your overall argument. Illegal immigrants are actually less likely to have a criminal record then us citizens (due to their desire to keep their head down to avoid being found and kicked out of the country). The drug trade is mostly independent of immigration policy as it's rare that large quantities of drugs come through illegal immigration. I would have been willing to upvote the first part of the answer, but not so long as it has misleading claims about criminality that don't seem based in fact. | |
| Oct 21, 2020 at 17:22 | comment | added | A.bakker | @PaulJohnson done | |
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| Oct 21, 2020 at 17:19 | comment | added | Paul Johnson | I think you should clarify your answer on that point. At the moment it sounds like you are saying that illegal immigrants have a lot of criminals in their number. | |
| Oct 21, 2020 at 16:52 | comment | added | A.bakker | @PaulJohnson with the criminal elements i was referring to drug dealing from the south. Although it's not immigration it is an issue concerning the border. The Cartels seem to be going strong in Mexico and it's influence is oozing towards the USA. the first ones who feel this blow are the low/mid income households. | |
| Oct 21, 2020 at 16:45 | comment | added | Paul Johnson | Your comment about "criminal elements" implies that people crossing the border are more likely to commit crimes (illegal immigration apart) than people born here. Do you have any evidence to support that? | |
| Oct 21, 2020 at 14:51 | comment | added | A.bakker | @Tim that's because the Democratic party often advocates itself as being the party that is best for black people (if that is true is open for discussion) so they draw a lot of support form black voters who don't have time to look at what is best for them but vote Democratic as default because that is what they are " supposed" to do. | |
| Oct 21, 2020 at 14:24 | comment | added | Tim | Thanks. It is a question of both education level and race. Much less African/Latino Americans have college degree, and would face more challenge from what you described, but their majority don't support Trump's reelection. | |
| Oct 21, 2020 at 14:18 | history | answered | A.bakker | CC BY-SA 4.0 |