Timeline for Why is the French embassy in Niger still considered an embassy?
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| Sep 7, 2023 at 8:26 | comment | added | einpoklum | @ohwilleke: No, but it is still a small minority of the international community, so that the opposite of what you said is true. That is, the international community has not ceased to recognize the Ba'ath regime in Syria. Which is why your comment was misplaced, and I suggest you remove that part of it (and we can remove this thread). | |
| Sep 6, 2023 at 14:19 | comment | added | ohwilleke♦ | @einpoklum 3 UN Security council members and the E.U. is not nothing. | |
| Sep 6, 2023 at 6:14 | comment | added | einpoklum | @ohwilleke: That's 3 UN members including one military dictatorship, who claim the US-and-Turkey-backed fundamentalists holding Idlib are the Syrian government. That is at the level of "Juan Guaido president of Venezuela"... | |
| Sep 6, 2023 at 2:15 | comment | added | ohwilleke♦ | @einpoklum en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… | |
| Sep 5, 2023 at 20:35 | comment | added | einpoklum | @ohwilleke: You mean "ceased"? Anyway, to my knowledge, almost no states have ceased to recognize the Syrian regime, although its Arab league membership had been suspended for several years. | |
| Sep 5, 2023 at 18:31 | comment | added | phoog | @R.M. the junta has purported to declare the ambassador persona non grata. I haven't seen a clear indication that they have purported to end diplomatic relations altogether. In the absence of an end to diplomatic relations, the embassy is still an embassy, and even if they are ended it remains an embassy until its orderly closure. | |
| Sep 5, 2023 at 18:04 | comment | added | ohwilleke♦ | @einpoklum The international community has seized to recognize Assad's regime as the legitimate regime of all of Syria after Syrian civil war despite the fact that Assad's regime retained control over a significant part of Syria's internationally recognized territory, although it still lacks functional control of maybe a quarter to a third of its internationally recognized territory. The Syrian civil war is on going. See generally en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war | |
| Sep 5, 2023 at 16:48 | comment | added | einpoklum | -1 for claiming that the Syrian regime had fallen during the civil war and now has a "successor". Brutal though this regime may be, it actually survived the war. | |
| Sep 5, 2023 at 15:18 | comment | added | ohwilleke♦ | @R.M. The bias is in the question, which assumes that the coup regime is legitimate (which all other things being equal, a coup regime is not), rather than reserving that as an open question. From the coup regime's perspective, it is illegal, but when power is seized illegitimately (which is always the case in a coup regime) the process by which the regime secures legitimacy in the international scene is ill-defined and discretionary and has to be proven battle by battle, issue by issue. | |
| Sep 5, 2023 at 11:52 | comment | added | R.M. | P.S. I have little to no awareness of the situation in Niger, and have no clue or opinion on the current of future legitimacy of the coup. That said, this answer is woefully inadequate due to its bias. Although you don't come out and say it, you're implicitly stating that the "coup government" is not legitimate, and thus the other potential option is unworthy of consideration. (Not even from an academic "what if" perspective.) | |
| Sep 5, 2023 at 11:51 | comment | added | R.M. | Sorry, I was unaware I had to specify that when I said "the Nigerien perspective", I was specifically talking about the specific segment of Niger mentioned in the question who have issued the statement about the French ambassador. (I assumed we could take it as read that the people deposed in the coup would share France's perspective that the coup was not legitimate. I apologize for assuming that would be obvious.) If we assume that the "coup government" is "legitimate" (as they do of themselves) where does the status of the embassy fall? | |
| Sep 5, 2023 at 2:57 | comment | added | ohwilleke♦ | @R.M. The whole point is the the "Nigerien perspective" is ill defined. Maybe the coup government will stick around and is the legitimate government, maybe it won't and isn't. The norms of international law do not require recognition of a coup regime as legitimate. | |
| Sep 5, 2023 at 1:36 | comment | added | R.M. | Okay, France still thinks it's an embassy -- but from the Nigerien perspective, is it an embassy or not? Is there a third-party "I have no dog in this fight, but I do like adhering to established norms of international law" perspective answer to the question? | |
| Sep 3, 2023 at 15:51 | history | answered | ohwilleke♦ | CC BY-SA 4.0 |