Timeline for Why do Russians vote when the elections are rigged?
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| Mar 31 at 13:22 | comment | added | Allure | @rus9384 have any evidence to back that up? | |
| Mar 31 at 12:26 | comment | added | rus9384 | @Allure My personal opinion is that that particular pollting station was rigged in the opposite way (in favor of the unpopular candidate). | |
| Mar 31 at 2:24 | comment | added | Allure | @JonathanReez I was once in this country where the prime minister was involved in massive, multi-year corruption, siphoning money from state coffers to personal accounts. But he continued to win several elections, because he'd give handouts (literal handouts, measured in dollars) to voters. Ultimately, in a democratic system, you get the country you deserve. | |
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| Mar 31 at 2:04 | comment | added | Allure | @rus9384 are you suggesting that a candidate with single-digit approval rate could actually have beaten the candidate with 80+% approval rate, if the polling station weren't rigged? Because that's what it is - it's like the Green Party winning an individual state in the US presidential election by a 10-to-1 margin while losing nationwide by a 10-to-1 margin. | |
| Mar 30 at 21:38 | comment | added | Steve | @JonathanReez, in the long term, that's a pretty good way of judging a regime - whether it provides material security and abundance. That's why Russians have rejected liberalism - it made them poorer and not richer. And it's why America and Western Europe are increasingly rejecting liberalism - it makes them poorer instead of richer. | |
| Mar 30 at 20:27 | comment | added | JonathanReez | @Steve the median Polish worker can afford to get a loan on a new base model BMW. The median Russian worker cannot. The sheep want their BMW, everything else is a moot point. | |
| Mar 30 at 20:19 | comment | added | Steve | @JonathanReez, the problem is, the evil capitalists aren't delivering creature comforts! Hardly anyone can in fact buy a new BMW, and those who can are just getting enshittified versions of what used to be premium brands. Don't they charge rent on the seat-heaters these days? | |
| Mar 30 at 20:00 | comment | added | JonathanReez | @Steve the sheep want one thing and one thing only: more creature comforts. The evil capitalists of the west deliver more comforts to their citizens, allies and vassals than corrupt oligarchies. Money walks, BS walks. That’s exactly why Putin loves talking about history so much instead of whether the average Russian can afford a new BMW. | |
| Mar 30 at 13:19 | comment | added | Steve | @JonathanReez, and what function do you think it performs for sheep to choose their wolf according to which wolf lies best? If it is about sheep choosing their wolf, then why can't they choose by which wolf is their most powerful organiser in a trial by ordeal on the battlefield, instead of at the ballot box merely choosing which wolf is the biggest liar? That is, why can't the sheep choose the mode of trial to which the wolves will be subject, as well as choosing the wolf? | |
| Mar 30 at 13:01 | comment | added | JonathanReez | @Steve voters are sheep but they also deserve the right vote to choose between multiple competing wolves instead of just one. | |
| Mar 30 at 12:16 | comment | added | Steve | That's all besides my point though. My point is that "truly free" to you means the very rich being able to pump whatever propaganda they want, wherever they want. It doesn't mean people in general having equal access to the means of communication, and it doesn't mean the truth is distributed. It means freedom for the very rich, to attack the poor (or in Putin's case, the less rich), and freedom to corrupt democratic processes and dissolve the truth. (2/2) | |
| Mar 30 at 12:13 | comment | added | Steve | @JonathanReez, many Eastern European nations have been denuded of their youth and skilled workforce, and are only developing somewhat because the "evil foreign rich" are using them to attack Western European workers. That's why many places now rebel against liberal rule, including the likes of Hungary, and even East Germany. Not to mention Russia's own "shock therapy" at the hands of liberals in the 90s, producing corrupt oligarchs and a collapse in health and living standards. The biggest shock the liberals got, was that sanctioning the oligarchs didn't lead to Putin's removal. (1/2) | |
| Mar 30 at 11:19 | comment | added | JonathanReez | @Steve yes, the evil foreign rich who 'destroyed' Eastern European EU nations that are now living in horrible conditions compared to glorious Russia ;) | |
| Mar 30 at 10:15 | comment | added | Steve | @JonathanReez, you mean a "truly free" election where the foreign rich were free to control the Russian media? | |
| Mar 26 at 16:50 | comment | added | Paul Johnson | @JonathanReez I'm sure I could post an advert in Moscow saying "Biden is a corrupt dictator" without any problems at all. :-) | |
| Mar 26 at 13:53 | comment | added | JonathanReez | Putin would likely not manage to get 50% of the vote in a truly free election where every opposition candidate was given access to the ballot and candidates were free to buy ads bashing Putin for his governments actions. In the US anyone can buy an ad saying "Biden is a corrupt dictator" and plaster it all over Times Square. Good luck doing that in Moscow. | |
| Mar 22 at 16:19 | comment | added | rus9384 | "But when you take into consideration that there were roughly 80 million votes cast, a difference of 700 votes will have literally no impact on the election results." Do you really think that was the point? The point they tried to make is that in a "non-rigged" polling station Putin was losing ten-fold and he is winning only in rigged ones. Of course, it's unlikely that the polling station in Barnaul was not rigged in any way, but the message is different from your interpretation. | |
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| Mar 20 at 15:20 | comment | added | kenod | @alamar I'm not disputing Putin isn't liked among Russians. However, it's not really possible to have reliable opinion polls in a country which has laws that can see you arrested if you say things that are considered to be hostile to the government, or its activities. It doesn't mean everyone hates Putin, but it does mean that opinions polls, whether western or Russian, aren't going to be able to get an accurate or reliable result. At most it will show Putin has a strong grip on the populace, but with no indication as to whether this is popularity or fear (though likely both) | |
| Mar 20 at 13:44 | comment | added | David Tonhofer | US itself says it: The New Atlas: US Government-Funded Polling Validates 2024 Russian Elections - West Simply Doesn't Like the Outcome. US government-funded polling via the Levada Center indicates Russian President Vladimir Putin as of 2024, has an 86% approval rating, very close to the 87.3% electoral outcome of President Putin's re-election. Conversely, President Putin's "fiercest opponent," according to the same US government-funded polling organization, had single-digit approval ratings as of 2023. | |
| Mar 20 at 6:16 | comment | added | Nij | You honestly and truly believe that polls asking whether the dictator known to use arrest and murder against his opponents is okay, are trustworthy? | |
| Mar 20 at 5:54 | comment | added | Allure | @Nij To illustrate, you mention "politicians that oppose Putin ... mysteriously dying in custody". Indeed, Navalny's death does not reflect well on the Putin administration. But if you are under the impression that Navalny could actually have threatened Putin in the election, you are incorrect - only ~2% of the electorate support him. But that is never mentioned by Western media, of course, because they're pushing the idea that he could have. | |
| Mar 20 at 5:26 | comment | added | Nij | It isn't "Western media" pushing these points. It's "media that isn't beholden to Russian interests and subject to arbitrary retribution" that reports on the facts and implications. If Russian democracy and elections were truly free and fair, the Russian media and politicians that oppose Putin wouldn't keep mysteriously dying in custody, being arrested for "holding a protest" or shut down and banned for "being the opposition in government ". | |
| Mar 20 at 2:39 | history | answered | Allure | CC BY-SA 4.0 |