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Aug 3, 2015 at 15:15 history bounty ended Bregalad
Aug 1, 2015 at 19:59 comment added mart @Bregalad When, and where, has nationalism ever been logical? Also I'm not sure the turkish south and southeast is not productive in some way, I'd have to look that up. The big kurdish landowners seem to be happy, and often vote AKP apprantly. For al ong time, and maybe still, turkish nationalism is expanionist, with trying to woo the turkmen as a sort of lost tribe tec, or saber rattling about some (now) greek islands.
Jul 31, 2015 at 10:19 comment added Bregalad @mart Then why won't they give up the terriroty? Modern states went out of the logic "more territory is the better", because this is not true anymore, if they are poor they don't generate any revenue and only cause trouble, so it'd be easier and cheaper for the Turkish government to get rid of them entierely by giving them independance and then pretend not to care about them anymore.
Jul 31, 2015 at 6:50 comment added mart I'd add to this good answer that Turkey southeast is a bit of an internal colony, with little investment in infrastructure etc. for a long time. This is (part) ofthe social grievances the varios kurdish groups raise, and plays into their suppression also. Note that Bregalads examples of integrated cltural minorities also feature a meaningful economic integration, which Turkey can't or won't do.
Jul 30, 2015 at 12:22 history edited gabriele CC BY-SA 3.0
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Jul 30, 2015 at 12:17 comment added gabriele @Bregalad I did mix up a bit the terminology, thanks for pointing it out. Turkey is not western, but is modern and, until recently, they were quite interested in becoming more western because they felt the two were the same thing. I agree that if we take the evolution of western modern states as a reference Turkey is a bit late, but do they still believe that ? And of course western states have repressed minorities for a longer time than Turkey has.
Jul 30, 2015 at 12:08 history edited gabriele CC BY-SA 3.0
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Jul 30, 2015 at 11:15 comment added Bregalad That's great and all, but it's a bit of a paradox claiming Turkey is a modern western state, and they repress their minorities. Modern states would give them autonomy and allow the language to be official, so they'd be on their side and not "enemies". (i.e. There is no problem to have multiple languages in Switzerland, Belgium, Alsace or South Tyrol). Anyway I understand this could only further enforce separatism (as in Catalogna) and that Turkey really don't want that. So basically Turkey is a modern state that is 100 years late.
Jul 30, 2015 at 10:00 history answered gabriele CC BY-SA 3.0