Timeline for Interpretation of "right" and "left" [duplicate]
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Duplicate of What is meant by the "left" and the "right"? | |
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| Jul 29 at 0:22 | comment | added | haxor789 | Let us continue this discussion in chat. | |
| Jul 29 at 0:21 | comment | added | CuriousIndeed | Yes Friedrich Pollock. "any resemblance of a left wing was a) powerless and b) literally purged when they took over government power:" The Nazis shared the same economic ideas as left-wing parties. That is an important and often overlooked fact. In fact many believe that the Nazis were capitalist, which is utterly wrong. That does not mean that the Nazis were a left-wing party ofc. | |
| Jul 29 at 0:19 | comment | added | haxor789 | @CuriousIndeed Like Capitalists see the inequality in society, shrug and call it "meritocracy", socialists call it plutocracy and try to dismantle it by taking ownership of the means of production. Fascists have no ideal of the economy, they just see a decline and attribute it to some scapegoat usually leftists, minorities or people not working hard enough. Which is what conservatives also preach all day long, just that they know it's bullshit, while fascists actually drink that kool-aid. Just squash [scapegoat] and everything will be better. Needless to say that's never how that works... | |
| Jul 29 at 0:09 | comment | added | haxor789 | @CuriousIndeed Which Pollock? Friedrich Pollock? Also that talk about economics is completely missing the point. In the political context "right wing" is authoritarian, chauvinistic, social darwinistic and hierarchical. And Hitler was pretty much all of that. And capitalism and it's proponents also check a lot of these boxes hence why they are usually grouped on the right. Now the U.S. as biggest advocate of capitalism tries a lot to rebrand and pretend right wing is just about free markets, but to apply those definitions to the Nazi era or any place outside the U.S. is bullshit. | |
| Jul 28 at 23:29 | comment | added | CuriousIndeed | @haxor789. There was competition within the framework commanded by the National Socialists. Nazi Germany was far away from a free market economy but not as restricted as Soviet Union. Pollock (himself a Neo-Marxist) described it as follows: "I believe it reaches far more deeply and should be described as the destruction of all the essential traits of private ownership, saving one exception." onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ecaf.12551 Pollock wrote in German, if you want to read the original I can DM you a copy. It's not odd at all and has been described by many cont. writers | |
| Jul 28 at 23:01 | comment | added | haxor789 | @CuriousIndeed "The Nazi leadership believed that "private property itself provided important incentives to achieve greater cost consciousness, efficiency gains, and technical progress." Adolf Hitler used Social Darwinist arguments to support this stance, cautioning against "bureaucratic managing of the economy" that would preserve the weak and "represent a burden to the higher ability, industry and value."" Also it's quite odd to make that about the economy when the Nazis didn't and when that was not top of their agenda. Like the economy much as everything else served their genocide plans. | |
| Jul 28 at 8:29 | comment | added | CuriousIndeed | @haxor789 Just read your own wikipedia article: "However, the privatization was "applied within a framework of increasing control of the state over the whole economy through regulation and political interference," | |
| Jul 27 at 22:46 | comment | added | haxor789 | @CuriousIndeed Yeah the Nazis privatized the economy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… and had no economic ideology beyond power and warfare: "Hitler believed that the lack of a precise economic programme was one of the Nazi Party's strengths, saying: "The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all"" Not sure who the other 2 guys there are but wasn't Mises the guy who praised Mussolini's fascism? | |
| Jul 27 at 11:03 | comment | added | CuriousIndeed | @haxor789 Socially the the Nazis were far right, economically the Nazis were collectivist. There was no control over private ownership during the times of National socialism, as described in depth by Pollock, Brüneck or even Mises. | |
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| Jul 10 at 10:32 | comment | added | haxor789 | @SamGinrich 2/ ... totalitarian mass organization. Hitler was initially not in the party leadership and adverse to the party democracy. He largely organized propaganda and mass events meaning he acquired members and money which meant after 3 month he transformed it into the NS-DAP and yet a year later he became it's leader. and that was 1921. So with Hitler the main focus was on populist antisemitism not the labor party and he ruled for essentially the entire time that the NSDAP/DAP had any relevance and there was no genuine leftist goals in that besides the name. | |
| Jul 10 at 10:23 | comment | added | haxor789 | @SamGinrich You're spreading misinformation. Yes the NSDAP arose from the DAP which was a club of 1 guy (Anton Drexler) and his railroad worker buddies. Which was already influenced by a guy named Karl Harrer who worked for the Thule society (antisemitic secret society) to be an antisemitic alternative to actual labor parties, so the "D" in that party was already more than just a descriptor for "Germany" but an expression of "völkischer Nationalismus" (racist ethnonationalism). Then 9 month later a guy named Adolf Hitler joined, rivaled Harrer's idea of a secret society with a ... | |
| Jul 9 at 18:51 | comment | added | Sam Ginrich | @haxor789 Sorry, we don't continue on your level. I gave structural background of forces, which the Nazi movement was composed from and you understand nothing. | |
| Jul 8 at 14:02 | comment | added | haxor789 | @SamGinrich No you seem to be very much mislead about the Nazis. They very much were a far right party, any resemblance of a left wing was a) powerless and b) literally purged when they took over government power. Also who is "the left" or "the far left" and you realize how many Nazis were still in official positions in post war Germany including the 70s? | |
| Jul 8 at 13:04 | comment | added | Sam Ginrich | Think you are "mislead" about Nazis, they structurally joined left and right border of a preceding democratic sepctrum. Clamping of the Labor Party from NSD"AP" is not a correct display their origin. Again in the 70s the far left turned against the center "social democrates" and even formed a terror organization. | |
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