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The UK is one of the main NATO members. It seems to me that Western countries almost always act in a block. Why is the UK stepping back from the line? Does she not want to burn jets in Russian fire?

In this question NATO is viewed not only as a military alliance, but mostly as a Western alliance of interests, where the UK has been almost everywhere side by side with the US.

Source: The Times - May resists calls to join US action

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    I am not sure if it is good practice to have a question asked and an answer accepted within hours about the speculative motivations of a possible decision that has not yet been formally announced... It is still unclear from the latest news reports what actions exactly Trump and Macron are proposing, and whether or not UK will join. – Evargalo Apr 11 '18 at 12:43
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    maybe a rewording to be about the pros and cons of UK involvement would be better. She may give a speech, but until she does there can only be guesses. – user9389 Apr 11 '18 at 19:42
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    -1 to this question since it's drawn a lot of opinion-based debate around very simple answers. – user10303 Apr 12 '18 at 6:40
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    -1, Does she not want to burn jets in Russian fire? To me this question is hardly more than some strange trolling attempt (OP is Russian). – r41n Apr 12 '18 at 8:24
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    Well, What should we do about this question now that Theresa May has striked Syria ? theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/14/… – Evargalo Apr 16 '18 at 8:58
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I would not overthink this.

I suspect it was nothing more than a desire to avoid getting involved in a war that had no upside for the UK.

However, Trump's willingness to abandon NATO means he is not going to find friends for causes that are not in the US's allies interests. There is nothing to be gained by deposing Assad. Look at what happened in Iraq, and Afghanistan. Unless you are going to conquer the land for the spoils, war is a loss.

In the past the US's allies have backed the US interventions because they needed to know that the US would be there if they were attacked. The fears of the cold war have been replaced by new fears now. Those fears are not assuaged by the alliances that were formed to prevent another World War in the 1940s.

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First let me mention your question "Does she not want to burn jets in Russian Fire?"

No she does not want to British Jets to be shot down by Russians. It is a silly question. No sane leader engages in an action with the intent of having her own troops killed.

Next you talk about "Nato" action. While there is a good deal of unity in Nato and other Western countries, the action in Syria is a US military action, not a Nato joint command. The UK has no treaty obligation to act.

Now, In 2013 the UK parliament had a vote on joining US action in Syria. By a narrow margin the government was defeated. It was the opinion of Members of the House that military action in Syria would lead to more unnecessary bloodshed. While nobody in the government had any support for Assad who seemed intent on bombing and gassing the Syrians into submission, there was a lack of a credible exit plan. There was a plan for war, but no clear plan for peace. The UK government has gone on to get approval for airstrikes in Daesh controlled Syria, but not for a general war with the Syrian Government.

The individual countries in the Nato, and the Western Alliance more generally can choose if a particular action is in their interest, unless one of the members of Nato is attacked and invokes "article 5". The French and German militaries did not join the UK and US in Iraq. The UK did not join France and the US in airstrikes on Syria in 2013.

May has the authority to commit UK forces to action. But she would seek Parliamentary approval to engage in war in Syria. The potential benefits of perhaps removing a very dangerous leader would have to be balanced against the risks to British troops, and the risk of insurgency and a spread of terrorism.

At the end of the day, Theresa May is not joining an attack on the Syrian Government, because she does not think it to be in the UK's best interest.

  • The most hard question is what is there so unique to have U.K. interests not along with U.S. – user2501323 Apr 11 '18 at 10:31
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    the action in Syria is a US military action, not a NATO joint command. - I sometimes forget that many people do not realize that though the US is a major stakeholder in NATO they are not the only Stakeholder. – SoylentGray Apr 11 '18 at 10:41
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    The 2013 vote is the answer I've given to your most hard question. – James K Apr 11 '18 at 10:42
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May's hesitance is as likely to come from domestic concerns as any geopolitical consideration. There are two concerns in particular worthy of note:

  1. Theresa May is a weak leader of a minority government. It is almost certain that the opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn will oppose strikes and likely invoke the whip to require Labour MPs to vote against it. This means that May's ability to get parliamentary support for action in Syria is uncertain. While targetted action is likely to attract the support of enough Labour rebels and others to gain a majority, any action that has the potential to lead to more serious military conflict will be more difficult. She has more important battles to spend political capital on than Syria.

  2. Since the fallout from the Iraq war, the UK public is not perceived as being supportive of further military action in the Middle East. UK politicians are, accordingly, much less willing to support military action than they used to be.

  • She also needs the vote of the British Parliament to enact any sort of military action. Same, really, as Trump in America. Neiither can click their fingers and drop some bombs. – mickburkejnr Apr 12 '18 at 8:51
  • @mickburkejnr Actually, she does not, the Prime Minister can order military action without Parliamentary approval. It is convention to ask for Parliamentary approval but it is not a strict requirement. – Jack Aidley Apr 12 '18 at 9:04
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The question assumes that NATO is relevant in the Syrian context. NATO's role is explicitly limited to Europe and North America. NATO has clarified that means Turkey can be a member, despite being only partially in Europe, and as a member the whole of Turkey is protected by NATO. That means Syria becomes a NATO issue once Syrian troops cross the Turkish border, and Turkey asks for NATO support. That simply hasn't happened.

Of course, NATO also has a logistical aspect - NATO militaries use common standards, which facilitate cooperation. And such common standards still make sense in non-NATO operations. So when the US and friends use NATO standards to coordinate actions above Syria, that still doesn't mean it's a NATO operation.

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    If NATO is limited to Europe, then why are Canada and the USA both (founding) members? – Chronocidal Apr 11 '18 at 15:08
  • I think it was pretty obvious that Syria wasn't in North America. :| – MSalters Apr 11 '18 at 15:11
  • While technically correct, I think this answer ignores the de facto tendency of NATO countries to work together outside of their explicit military commitments. – Jack Aidley Apr 11 '18 at 15:21
  • @JackAidley: That's to be expected. Armies that train together are able to cooperate effectively. The have common standards, not just formally but also practically. – MSalters Apr 11 '18 at 18:30
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The UK has a more precarious position with Russia than the US does. Remember, Europe in general imports a LOT of Russian energy

Russia's gas exports to Europe rose 8.1 per cent last year to a record level of 193.9bn cubic metres (bcm), despite rising competition and concerns about the country’s dominance of supply.

State-run Gazprom, the world’s largest gas producer, has a monopoly over Russia’s network of pipelines to Europe and supplies close to 40 per cent of Europe’s gas. But it has been forced to lower its prices in recent years to protect its market share in the face of moves by EU member states to buy more gas from the US, Qatar and other producers.

Getting into an armed conflict with one of your major energy suppliers is not on anybody's radar. If you don't believe me, just ask Crimea.

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    "Europe" is not a homogeneous area. The UK does import Russian gas but it makes far less than 40% of UK gas supplies - around 15% in fact - source: britishgas.co.uk/the-source/our-world-of-energy/… – Jack Aidley Apr 12 '18 at 8:47
  • @JackAidley While that's true, its also true that the UK is still part of the broader European Market. So if Russia raises the cost of energy it will still have some impact on the UK, and it will also impact those countries (like Germany) that they trade with. – Machavity Apr 12 '18 at 12:06
  • Yes, I agree, but your answer does not reflect that. IMO, an answer relating to the UK should address the UK specifically rather than treating it as an interchangeable part of the EU. – Jack Aidley Apr 12 '18 at 12:08
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She did not refuse.

The U.K. joined the U.S. and France in military action against Syria on April 14.

British Prime Minister Theresa May described the strike as "limited and targeted." She said she had authorized the British action after intelligence indicated Assad's government was responsible for the attack using chemical weapons in the Damascus suburb of Douma a week ago.

Source: Reuters

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Unlike (most) previous "coalition" interventions there is no justification in international law. There is no talk of seeking a UN resolution to legitimize it. Legitimacy is an issue in some countries, including the UK:

The 2016 Chilcot report stated

that at the time of the invasion of Iraq in 2003, Saddam Hussein did not pose an urgent threat to British interests, that intelligence regarding weapons of mass destruction was presented with unwarranted certainty, that peaceful alternatives to war had not been exhausted, that the United Kingdom and the United States had undermined the authority of the United Nations Security Council, that the process of identifying the legal basis was "far from satisfactory", and that a war was unnecessary.[5][6][7]

  • A thoughtful and useful answer. Unfortunately, while the "Stack" format works well for technical questions, in politics it just favours populism. Save your reputation points and avoid politics unless you're being paid (in life as well as in the Stack forums). – Graham Laight Apr 13 '18 at 8:00
  • @GrahamLaight This could be a useful Stack if they enforced SE standards. As it is, PO.SE is one of those fun forums like worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/109199/… – Keith McClary Apr 13 '18 at 16:58
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    This answer is wrong. The U.N. Security Council has passed no less than 15 resolutions regarding the Syrian Civil War since 2012, most recently less than 2 months ago. 7 more have been vetoed by Russia and China or Russia alone. Resolution 2209 authorized the use of military force in the event of the use of chemical weapons. – reirab Apr 14 '18 at 10:14
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    @reirab As I read the resolution, non-compliance would have to be determined by OPCW and reported to UNSC. Have you seen any claims by US/UK/France that the attack is based on 2209? – Keith McClary Apr 14 '18 at 18:35

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