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I want to ask why throughout US history there has been no record of coup aiming to overthrow (at least temporarily) the elected government on the promise of "justice, liberty, equality, efficency" etc. This seems to be happening very often in other democracies throughout the world, but even though Pentagon has a paramount role in US politics, I have never seen this happening.

Further, in US history it is well known that the president, the congress, and the supreme court is not always functioning efficiently or even cooperating. In the case of a political deadlock situation, it seems likely that a powerful populist leader or representative of powerful organization would be able to control the government via force, power and propaganda. However, aside from novel characters I have never seen this happening either. I imagine that people would have high motivation to do so.

Here the assumption is the majority of US population is educated but can be manipulated. If someone set up a situation that indicates the current government is not only dysfunctional, corrupt, but also utterly evil(for example, the president is a tyrant and the congress are full of puppets), then there will be calls for civil movements against the government. Suppose in some hypothetical situation there is strong conflict between certain government agency and the protesters, and the army is called to restore order, then the army commandor would have a strong incentive to overthrow the government, at least temporarily. But historically such examples, while rampant in other countries, is absent in US. And I am curious why.

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    No, no, no...the US has branches of government for the intentional purpose of them NOT to cooperate. For instance your hypothetical protestors could probably better spend their time raising money to hire a lawyer to sue the government agency (executive branch) in the courts (judicial branch). The army can't be used against American civilians unless there is martial law. – Razie Mah May 29 '14 at 13:07
  • @RazieMah: Here I am merely assuming. Suppose in the midst of a new financial crisis, a "coffee party" gained great influence in the congress and its fight with a "tea party" made president unable to pass any reforming bill at all. Assuming for the moment that the judges were in favor of the "coffee party", while the president was in allegiance to "tea party". Then the economy worsened and people in support of two parties protested aloud in DC. When they sued in court, the two sides were in alternate rounds (coffee win - tea win - coffee win..)and cannot resolve anything.The situation escalate – Bombyx mori May 29 '14 at 13:25
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    First off the Coffee Party really exists and would never be elected anything. ;) There are elections every two years for some of the seats in Congress, so a really bad Congress would get kicked out of office by election. They write bills, not the president. The Supreme Court tries to stay independent from political influence. This is why they have lifetime appointments. The military is also independent from politics. So, if protestors stormed Congress now that you understand how the government system works, you understand why that would be considered simply terrorism? – Razie Mah May 29 '14 at 14:59
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    @Bombyxmori - Yes, in the situation where the president is a tyrant and the congress are his/her puppets, it'll be a bad situation, but unless the elections four years later don't happen or are rigged, the courts would have no reason to step in. – Bobson May 29 '14 at 22:38
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    @Bombyxmori To allow the president to serve longer than two 4 year terms, the US constitution would have to be amended to overturn the 22nd amendment. Amendments require ratification by 3/4 of the states, so, no, control or collusion of 2/3 of Congress would not be enough for him to alter the law. This explains uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/a/amendments.ht Congress is the strongest branch and its already given the power to remove bad judges and change the size of the court. A puppet Congress could destroy the Court if its combined with presidential power to appoint judges. – Razie Mah May 30 '14 at 3:52
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There are two possible attempted military coups in US history: the Burr Conspiracy and the Business Plot to overthrow FDR. I will point though, while both involve military veterans, they do not involve the US military as an institution. Until WWII, the US did not have a standing army, so for most of US history a traditional military coup wasn't likely to occur because the army had very little power. In both cases, no one was found guilty and the evidence was in fact suppressed and brushed off as wild conspiracies to the public. So first, I think the US has avoided coups by making them seem absolutely impossible.

During the time period following WWII, the military became powerful and centralized enough to overthrow the government. But the way the military thinks about its role has changed, too. The military understands its oath is to protect and serve the American people, which means our elected representatives. They are firmly under civilian command and must follow the orders of the president-this is sometimes considered frustrating since generals probably do know best how to fight and win a war and thus occasionally causes conflict. The generals cannot publicly criticize or argue with the president and they will be dismissed for showing disrespect or disobedience to the Commander in Chief because he is unquestionable in charge of all final war decisions.

The US developed the concept following the WWII war crimes trials, that some orders are by definition illegal and all soldiers of all rank must disobey them. If part of the military were to attempt a coup, it would cause immediate chaos, since it is an illegal order.

Whistle blowers are considered brave and it has been the whistle blowers that have stopped these conspiracies. The whistle blowers in these conspiracies were largely politicians who were offered great amounts of power to take part and refused, so it seems there must be a strong commitment not just in the military but also among the politicians to the ideals of democracy to ensure its survival.

Allowing whistle blowers is often difficult. Edward Snowden provides an example of how difficult it really is to allow people the freedom to share confidential information if their conscience tells them they must. In many places, whistle blowing would be considered only destructive to the social order and sadly sometimes loyalty is valued over integrity. These places have a lot of corruption and are more likely to have coups.

Also, US elections have a very good record of being fairly held and thus the president is understood to be legitimate. In many nations, the elections process is corrupted and the president is thus not legitimate. Sometimes presidents will pass laws to make it so that they can be more or less be president-for-life. So when a military coup occurs against them, its often because they have severely abused the public trust. The military is answerable to the people and if the president is not a representative of the people, it may become their place to remove them from power. The dedication to a truly democratic system must start with the politicians, and thankfully for all their faults, the US has had politicians that strongly believed in democracy.

  • Calling the "Business Plot" an "attempted military coup" seems to be a bit - actually a LOT - far-reaching. Wiki quotes: "Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. said, "Most people agreed with Mayor La Guardia of New York in dismissing it as a 'cocktail putsch'."[50] In Schlesinger's summation of the affair, "No doubt, MacGuire did have some wild scheme in mind, though the gap between contemplation and execution was considerable, and it can hardly be supposed that the Republic was in much danger." – user4012 May 30 '14 at 0:48
  • @DVK Your quotes are taken out of context, so perhaps re-read the entire Wiki article a bit slower. The conclusion that it was an attempted coup is the official one held by the Special Committee on Un-American Activities. – Razie Mah May 30 '14 at 3:02
  • @RazieMah - Coup requires people with actual power to effect it. From the Wiki details, aside from hearsay accusations that Committe indicated were not found solid, there was no power behind this. Merely wishful thinking. – user4012 May 30 '14 at 3:09
  • @DVK "In the opinion of the committee, these allegations were credible." – Razie Mah May 30 '14 at 4:46
  • @RazieMah- the trick is, WHICH allegations. They discounted the important ones. – user4012 May 30 '14 at 5:29

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