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According to Wikipedia, cultural marxism is a conspiracy theory that says that the Frankfurt School wants to destroy western culture by controlling the media, academia, etc., using as its method the advancement of gay rights, feminism, racial equality, etc.

It names as prominent proponents of the theory "paleoconservatives" such as William Lind, who linked the theory to Jews, as well as the so called alt-right and white supremacists.

This New York Times opinion piece says that antisemitism and cultural Marxism are "inseparable".

This is also the only definition and context that I have come across the issue. The theory uses antisemitic canards, and is always explicitly or implicitly linked to Jews (see eg this post on a neo-Nazi site which seems representative).

However, in a recent question of mine, another user questioned if the conspiracy theory of cultural marxism is indeed inherently tied to antisemitism. Have political scientists analyzed the origin and contemporary usage of the term in this regard?

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That is just a comprehension problem.

This line from the question brings about the confusion:

This New York Times opinion piece says that antisemitism and cultural Marxism are "inseparable".

What that claim in question means is not that "cultural marxism" is connected to antisemitism via "Cultural marxists" being also antisemites.

It's the opposite. Those claiming that there is a dominating "cultural marxism" are conspiracy theorists. And these conspiracy theorists are almost always anitsemites, sometimes without even knowing it, and almost always denying it. Partly as they do not understand or deny the concept of structural antisemitism.

Modern antisemitism doesn't need any real Jews to function. It sufficed historically that the Nazis equated Jews with Bolshvism, running the world – despite the inability to prove that Lenin or Stalin were anything "Jewish". It now suffices that these 'hidden agents' are now supposedly promoting a Marxist agenda in for example the media, despite nothing of that kind to be found in reality.

What is antisemitism?

However one defines antisemitism, two points must be kept in mind: first, antisemitism presupposes that the Jews are radically “other.” This simple central point is a universal, timeless characteristic of antisemitism. There is one other point to be made about antisemitism: Antisemitism is not a Jewish problem; it is a non-Jewish problem. There is nothing that Jews can do about antisemitism, other than monitor it and do some little counteraction. I will return to this matter later in the discussion. Leonard Dinnerstein: "My Assessment of American Antisemitism Today", in: Steven K. Baum (Eds): "Antisemitism in North America. New World, Old Hate", Brill: Leiden, Boston, 2016, p 53–60.

What is "cultural marxism"? Radically "others", infiltrating America, destroying it, planned since the 1930s, invented by Jews, yeah, we get that now.

Case in point, but really stereotypical classic antisemitism paired with Holocaust denial:

William Lind has long been a point man for cultural conservatism, a key player in the world of right-wing politicians, and, in recent years, the head of the Free Congress Foundation's Center for Cultural Conservatism.
He also seems to be cultivating friends in some remarkable places. This June 15, at a major Holocaust denial conference put on by veteran anti-Semite Willis Carto in Washington, D.C., Lind gave a well-received speech before some 120 "historical revisionists," conspiracy theorists, neo-Nazis and other anti-Semites, in which he identified a small group of people who he said had poisoned American culture. On this point, Lind made a powerful connection with his listeners.

"These guys," he explained, "were all Jewish."

Meaning the first generation of theorists from the Frankfurt School. One of them was Karl August Wittfogel, German name, German ancestors, and yes, a Marxist. Early on. But when he came to America – to "spread his influence in the culture industry"? – he even turned fierce anti-communist. Claiming that he was a "Jewish" is not even wrong. It's pure paranoia.

And in a quite direct line, in America, that has a very nice explanation for everything, even Hitler:

But the agitator's preferred method of establishing the connection between capitalism and communism is by suggesting that "atheistic Communism" was "originally spawned in Jewish capitalism and Jewish intellectualism." The most striking formulation of this theory traces all modern -isms back to a common Jewish ancestor:

One must remove the causes to get rid of recurring effects … we are concerned with liquidating the causes which created the concept of Hitlerism in the minds of men. These causes run back from Stalin to Lenin; from Lenin to Marx; from Marx to the Rothschilds; from the Rothschilds to the Bank of England; from the Bank of England to the pack of usurers who transubstantiated a vice into a virtue in the sixteenth century…

Quote: Coughlin, Social Justice, Dec.2, 1941, p.4., quoted from: Leo Lowenthal & Norbert Guterman: "Prophets of Deceit. A Study of the Techniques of the American Agitator", Harper: New York, 1970, p44.

What proponents of "cultural marxism" see is something like this:

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A Flowchart History of "Cultural Marxism" according to 4chan's /pol/

And that looks pretty much like a duck. The Frankfurt School of Critical Theory can very well be criticised in many ways. Blaming everything on those theorists as planned, and successfully conducting an un-American campaign for over 80 years? Without understanding in the slightest what that Critical theory is critical about? That means "Cultural Marxism n. 1. A meaningless phrase used to signal that the writer or speaker has no idea what he or she is talking about."

This connection is analysed in quite a few books and articles about far right activists and haters. For example:

Jérôme Jamin: "Cultural Marxism and the Radical Right", in: Paul Jackson & Anton Shekhovtsov (Eds): "The Post-War Anglo-American Far Right: A Special Relationship of Hate", Palgrave Macmillan: New York, 2014 p84–103 DOI:: 10.1057/9781137396211.0009

Illustrating how the pro-Israel conspiracy theorist Breivik got into believing in 'cultural marxism'.

Although anti-Semitic attitudes are much more heavily stigmatised in post-Nazi Germany than other forms of racism, it is by no means true that there is no longer any anti-Semitism. On the one hand, there are phenomena known to researchers as ‘secondary anti-Semitism’ and ‘structural anti-Semitism’. ‘Secondary anti-Semitism’ refers to the cultivation of resentments against Jews not just by reference to the traditional prejudices that continue to exist, but also by using new motifs. One example of this is the idea that Jews, allegedly, prevent Germany from ‘putting its past behind it’. This is an ‘updated’ form of traditional accusations, such as greed and lust for power. Jews are once again painted as disrupting German national identity - but this time through Vergangenheitsbewältigung (the process of coming to terms with the [Nazi] past).
‘Structural anti-Semitism’ refers to ideas that are not explicitly directed at Jews, but are similar to anti-Semitic ideas in their concepts and argument. One example of this is the differentiation between and personification of ‘money-grubbing’ financial capital and ‘working’ productive capital (this refers to Hitler’s terms ‘raffendes/schaffendes Kapital’). This personalising and abbreviation of Marxist social criticism is structurally anti-Semitic and can also promote hostility towards Jews.
Sabine Schiffer & Constantin Wagner: "Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia – new enemies, old patterns", Race & Class, Vol. 52(3): 77–84, 2011, DOI:10.1177/0306396810389927

The "Cultural marxism" theory is antisemitism:

Now that the real origins of political correctness in the cultural Marxism devised by a clever bunch of foreign-born Jews had been revealed, the full extent of the damage they had caused could be spelled out. Here is a list cited verbatim from many of the websites devoted to the question:

  1. The creation of racism offences
  2. Continual change to create confusion
  3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
  4. The undermining of schools' and teachers' authority
  5. Huge immigration to destroy identity
  6. The promotion of excessive drinking
  7. Emptying of churches
  8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
  9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
  10. Control and dumbing down of media
  11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

Martin Jay: "Dialectic of Counter-Enlightenment: The Frankfurt School as Scapegoat of the Lunatic Fringe", Salmagundi Magazine, Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs, 2011. (archive.org)

Or quite drastic summarised in this analysis:

Currently, the meaning of cultural Marxism is embattled and articulated for different political and ideological projects by the alt-left and alt-right, progressive and reactionary, socialist and fascist. The alt-right has constructed the meaning of cultural Marxism in a struggle to organize trans-national consent to fascism, and the alt-right’s meaning of Marxism is making an impression upon the minds of many. It is incumbent upon actual Marxists to look in the mirror held to them by the alt-right, and begin to counter the image and fascist movement behind it. This cognitive mapping of the alt-right’s discourse on cultural Marxism is a small gesture to that end.
Tanner Mirrlees: "The Alt-Right’s Discourse of “Cultural Marxism”: A Political Instrument of Intersectional Hate", Atlantis Journal, Issue 39.1, p 49–69 2018. (URL)

From the angle of philosophy:

The story, repeated again and again, tells of how a bunch of Jewish intellectuals infiltrated America through the minds of its youth, culminating in the sixties counterculture, which is framed as a low point in the culture war for preserving traditional American values. (In its traditionalism, and preoccupation with contamination, the concept can be seen to have a certain structural similarity to the charge of “cultural Bolshevism” which Weimar-era conservatives directed towards aesthetic modernists of their day.) This conspiratorial and often anti-Semitic concept imagines the corrupting and feminizing influences of European decadence as having spread octopus-like throughout the American body politic in particular via its infiltration of the academy (Walsh 2015).

The Cultural Marxist narrative attributes incredible influence to the power of the ideas of the Frankfurt School to the extent that it may even be read as a kind of “perverse tribute” to the latter (Jay 2011). In one account, for example (Estulin 2005), Theodor Adorno is thought to have helped pioneer new and insidious techniques for mind control that are now used by the “mainstream media” to promote its “liberal agenda” – this as part of Adorno’s work, upon first emigrating to the United States, with Paul Lazarsfeld on the famous Princeton Radio Research Project, which helped popularize the contagion theory of media effects with its study of Orson Welles’ 1938 broadcast of The War of the Worlds. In an ironical sense this literature can perhaps be understood as popularizing simplified or otherwise distorted versions of certain concepts initially developed by the Frankfurt School, as well as those of Western Marxism more generally. One such example might be the concept of “the Cathedral” (Yarvin 2008), developed by figures in the so-called neo-reactionary movement on the far right as a kind of critique of the hegemonic, unconscious consensus between powerful figures within academia and the media who use the concept of “political correctness” as a tool of oppression developed by those who (falsely) imagine themselves as being oppressed. Although the narrative of Cultural Marxism’s ineluctable triumph, which one encounters in all of these texts, seems patently false, defenders argue that seemingly unbiased research supports the claim that academics have moved markedly to left of the rest of Americans in recent decades (Abrams 2016). The polarization of these contested findings have in turn helped to breathe new life into the Cultural Marxist conspiracy theory, turning university campuses into sites of far-right activism in recent years.

And though the analysis of Marxism proffered by this literature would certainly not stand up to scrutiny by any serious historian of the subject, we can nevertheless understand Cultural Marxism as a prime example of how the ideas of conservatism grow above all in reaction to those of the left (Robin 2011).

Marc Tuters: "Cultural Marxism", Krisis Journal for Contemporary Philosophy, Issue 2, 2018, p 32–34. (PDF)

The following uses drastic language and hyperbole to illustrate how the New York Times article has to be read, and is therefore in quotes. You may read the above as the opinion of the author of this post. Please do not do that with the following material:

Anyone insane enough to speak in earnest of 'Cultural Marxism' is per definition a right-leaning wing-nut. Right-leaning conservatives are increasingly and uninterruptedly fascistic since the 1920s. Those are then perversely and 'progressively* antisemites, by ignoring precisely what Marx analysed about capitalism and blame all the misgivings that are inherent to "the system" or the structures of it, onto a small group of outsiders – to them, or those who should follow their idiotic ideas. For ordinary Nazis, these were the Jews.

These "unwanted elements" need not even be so much "real Jews", as 'Antisemitism' might imply. Right-wing antisemites find the Jews where they want to see them. This is "Structural antisemitism" or the anticapitalism as antisemitism of the idiots, as Kronawitter coined what is often ascribed to August Bebel.

In other words: anyone claiming that in an increasingly fascistic world – that marches firmly to the right-wing abyss with names like Trump, Bolsanaro, Orban, Putin, Duterte –'cultural marxism' would be an increasingly influential position,

  • says that what s/he sees in the world, or in his/her media-bubble, is not authoritarian, not fascist, not right-wing not inhumane enough for her/his likings.

  • signals immediately that s/he is an extremist on the 'right' side, therefore a Nazi sympathiser and that means ultimately pro-genocidal

Within the hermetic minds of those believing in 'cultural marxism', all of this answer is of course an example just proving their point. A maze without exits.


Empirical case in point, from a now deleted comment:

TL:DR: "A bunch of people who have ideological reason to like things that constitute cultural Marxism wrote pseudo-scholarly wording that amounts to "Anyone who disagrees with us must be an anstisemite, even if they are Jewish, the proof being that we said so". The fact that there can be non-antisemitic proponents of the theory doesn't get disproved, merely rejected based on no theoretical or empirical evidence.

Well, brilliant. The theory is that "Cultural Marxism" is a "Jewish Invention" and "conspiracy to destroy". That is at the very core antisemitism.
Now, conservatives can very well say "homosexuals no likey" for example. That is one questionable opinion that's tolerable to a certain extant. That is not antisemitic, 'merely' homophobia. But to say that "homosexualism gets promoted – by a conspiracy – to destroy American families and values – since the 30s" is just plain insanity on the one side. On the other side is that person an antisemite that says and does antisemitic things. The whole theory of "Cultural marxism" is antisemitic and anyone adopting an antisemitic theory is therefore an antisemite.
It were those people who coined that theory that said "…and it was those Jews who did that, to the last man." If that is not recognised as plainly open antisemitism, we're lost here.

On the genealogy of the very term "cultural marxism":

The same scholarship that supports Schroyer’s analysis, for example, gives a degree of superficial credibility to the likes of Lind, Buchanan, or Breivik.

Scholars such as Schroyer and Dennis Dworkin do not, however, suggest that the Frankfurt School or other “cultural Marxists” ever had a plan to destroy the moral fibre of Western civilization, or to use their critique of culture as a springboard to a totalitarian regime. That would be difficult to argue in all seriousness because Western “cultural Marxists” going back to the 1920s have typically been hostile to state power, social oppression of the individual, and Soviet Marxism itself. Moreover, they have shown considerable variation among themselves in their attitudes to specific social, moral, and cultural issues. There is no cultural Marxist master plan.

More generally, serious intellectual history cannot ignore the complex cross-currents of thought within the Left in Western liberal democracies. The Left has always been riven with factionalism, not least in recent decades, and it now houses diverse attitudes to almost any imaginable aspect of culture (as well as to traditional economic issues). Many components of the Western cultural Left can only be understood when seen as (in part) reactions to other such components, while being deeply influenced by Western Marxism’s widespread criticism and rejection of Soviet communism.

In the upshot, all the talk of cultural Marxism from figures on the (far) Right of politics is of little aid to understanding our current cultural and political situation. At best, this conception of cultural Marxism is too blunt an intellectual instrument to be useful for analysing current trends. At its worst, it mixes wild conspiracy theorizing with self-righteous moralism.

Right-wing culture warriors will go on employing the expression “cultural Marxism” (or “Cultural Marxism”) in a pejorative way, attaching it to dubious, sometimes paranoid, theories of cultural history. There is nothing I can do to discourage this usage, and nor can I deny that it includes grains of truth in, for example, associating a more culture-oriented approach to Marxism with the Frankfurt School. I assume that this weaponized usage will continue.

–– Russell Blackford: "Cultural Marxism and our current culture wars: Part 2", Cogito – Philosophy in the real world, The Conversation, August 2, 2015.

Since Frankfurter Schule was a German thing, let's look at the German word for 'Cultural Marxism': Kulturmarxismus.

Google says: Ngrams not found: Kulturmarxismus or kultureller Marxismus (Although at the latest to be found in 1923 albeit clearly in a different sense.)

And the DWDS – Digitales Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache shows the following corpus search chart:

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And curiously, most of these hits discuss Anders Bering Breivik and his world view or manifesto.

This shows quite convincingly, that the 'Cultural Marxism' is a late, American invention. Invented by the radical right (Thomas Grumke: "'Take this country back!' Die neue Rechte in den USA", in: "Die Neue Rechte – eine Gefahr für die Demokratie?" VS Verlag, 2004, p177.)

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    This clears up a lot of the confusion. It's not that people who believe cultural Marxism is hurting society necessarily have any animosity toward Jewish people.The idea of cultural Marxism as evil is what some academics have dubbed "structural antisemitism." Structural antisemitism is a broader category that encapsulates a lot of populist, anti-capitalism, and anti-globalist movements on the left and right. It's not necessarily racist in itself, but can lead people to a place where they might switch to racist views. Am I understanding that right? – lazarusL Dec 6 '18 at 14:02
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    @lazarusL Well, looks like it. You can find some of this kind of antisemitism on the left (in fact most of what's found there is of that Kronawitter kind), and you can have a lot of this genuine antisemitism in people that have real Jews as son-in-laws. The concept is quite complicated (brainy?) and is sometimes applied in ways 'too broad' or 'just wrongly' (IMO) in political struggles. Although for these wrong diagnoses I do not know a lot of examples. Although antisemitism doesn't need Jews, CMT recurs in its origin onto exactly that. – LаngLаngС Dec 6 '18 at 14:13
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    Thanks for your answer! I'm not sure how important the first part is though. Is anyone really confused by this? But I guess making sure can't hurt. I think structural antisemitism is an important concept here, but I didn't know that it was used in the US at all; and in the German Antisemitismusforschung - where I know this concept from -, analyzing the US concept of cultural marxism didn't seem common. – tim Dec 6 '18 at 16:01
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    @LangLangC "Although antisemitism doesn't need Jews" this perplexes me. To my understanding, the only way to associate Cultural Marxism to antisemitism is to redefine antisemitism to no longer be directly associated with Jews. That or antisemitism is being conflated with general fear of secret world control by shadowy organizations. – David S Dec 6 '18 at 19:57
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    @DavidS The main CM theory are classical antisemites, using "the Jews" as originator. When there are no real Jews, the structure of antisemtism survives in inventing them, seeing "them" "the others" when they are not there. In those countries where the Jews were gassed the antisemites still believe to be controlled by them. Antisemitism in its classical form of interpretation is directly tied to the people, newer forms just take the principle to new heights of hate and conspiratorial 'thinking' or belief. Now it's sth like "the Germans will never forgive that the Jews made Auschwitz happen." – LаngLаngС Dec 6 '18 at 20:06
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Offhand answer: yes, (if "the" theory is narrowly defined as only a racist conspiracy), and no, (since it needn't be so narrowly defined). There's a collection of various disparate things these different groups dislike, and the goal would be some sort of plausible mash-up that tries to abstract and unite those disliked things into some loathsome whole the better to terrify and unify those those various groups before one common mash-up enemy.

But the antisemitism that pleases the racists isn't necessary to the mash-up, it's just a useful ingredient whenever there happen to be a certain number of racists. Lacking sufficient racists, a pro-zionist conspiracy minded paranoid anti-communist could mash-up their pet hates into some overarching commie plot category, and still roll merrily along.

The underlying question isn't the name of the particular flavor of mash-up, it's how do various groups answer the question: "What is Western Culture"? Or what books (and people) go on the bookshelf, and which (if any) go in the fire? Since the books themselves are so seldom read, moderns prefer to choose by proxy, by reading capsules and summaries usually written by celebrated partisans.

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    This was a comment that got too long. It's sort of an answer tho... – agc Dec 5 '18 at 20:13
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    Thanks for your answer! I'm not so sure about this though. Generally, terms should mean something. I guess non-antisemites could come up with anti-communist conspiracy theories. But would these then still be related to the existing phenomenon of "cultural marxism" conspiracy theories? Even if you strip it of the idea that a small, shadowy group of people secretly controls the media to use equal rights to bring down "western culture"? – tim Dec 5 '18 at 20:27
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    It seems to me that would be a different theory, one that doesn't have enough in common with "cultural marxism" to use that term. If I am mistaken about the definition of cultural marxism, or if the original definition has changed and is widely used differently today, that would be interesting. But I would like to see some references for that if possible. – tim Dec 5 '18 at 20:27
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    Paranoia and bigotry are by nature sloppy and somewhat arbitrary, and will find targets where they can. Lacking one set of shadowy bad guys, they'd replace them with another set from some other religion or culture, who were really the power behind the old bad guys all along. See also Henry Beard's "“Americans United to Beat the Dutch”... – agc Dec 6 '18 at 4:06
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Short answer: No.

Long answer:

Antisemitism is a category of hate. Essentially a sub-category of racism in general. That leads to this statement: All antisemitic people are racist, not all racist people are antisemitic.

Cultural Marxism is an ideological anti-conservative conspiracy theory. A conspiracy theory can be hateful in nature. The conspiracy theory is geared towards things conservatives hate, but it is based on the thought leaders exported from a school, not a group of people.

For the two to be inherently tied, the origination of the theory must directly link to Jews or Judaism first. The argument from the NYT piece is that it is an old, and clearly antisemitic conspiracy theory, was updated. While that can be true, the update is a clear departure from the antisemitic tones to a more generalized hateful tone. This is to say "Cultural Marxism" can be stated as inherently racist (or hateful), but not inherently antisemitic.

There are a great many antisemitic people in this world in just about every group of people. An unfortunate truth. But the school, people from the school, and thought leaders were not all Jewish. Even so, being of Jewish heritage doesn't necessarily mean the person can't be antisemitic. Likewise it is possible for a specific group of Jewish people to be hated independently from Jewish people in general.

Given that it is a conspiracy theory it is easy to tie to fringe groups or ideas. Which, when attempting to demonize it, would be easy to associate with antisemitism due to the time and location of many of the people at its origin.

However, many theories or groups can evolve over time. This can cause some concepts to become permanently associated. So it is possible for Cultural Marxism to evolve into an antisemitic form, if a branch of it isn't already there.

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    "Not at its inception or at this present time": Do you have a source for this? – tim Dec 5 '18 at 21:40
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    @tim There is no source. The NYT opinion piece is the opinion saying it is linked. My answer states it isn't inherently tied, but it can become associated. Ill edit a bit more. – David S Dec 5 '18 at 21:47
  • This should be the correct answer. – dan-klasson Nov 9 '19 at 18:29
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TLDR: Generally weak connection, but could be made

1) Antisemitism... Quite wide phenomena, spanning for centuries and existing too outside of Western culture (ex. Arabs from formation of state of Israel). Merely from the fact that concept of "cultural Marxism" is much newer phenomena in the Western culture, then overlap would have to be limited at best.

2) Cultural Marxism... what it is? Well there is a huge problem with its definition. According to left wing sources, is some kind of conspiracy theory used by right wingers. The only problem is, that among right wingers who actually use the term, it tend to be generally used for lumped together the Frankfurt School, intersectionalists, feminists, proponents of political correctness, postmodernists, etc. [Example of actual use by a right wing guru, Jordan Peterson]

There is a big problem, with calling everything a "conspiracy theory" where big part of starting premises or behaviour would be within mainstream, except diametrically different, partisan interpretation:

  • recently left wing shifted its focus towards identitarian ideologies, while suffering from erosion of support among working class => fans of Marxism got disappointed with working class that failed to start a global revolution, so decided to look for new vanguard of progress

  • it's normal to call far right "Nazi", even when people called so would be classified as subhumans (ex. Slavs) according to national socialism race theory => then some people would like to call "Marxist" people want to change base through changes in superstructure, even though it would make Karl Marx cringe (in both cases it seems as effective name calling)

  • there are cases of foreign (Russian) meddling that led to spread of potentially dangerous ideas in the US = > right wing is also allowed to have such to set doubts on legitimacy on their opponents, except that their choice would be Soviet subversion campaigns of spreading in the West fake news and possibly the most destructive ideologies, as described by defectors like Yuri Bezmenov. (when asked for some actual, fully fledged conspiracy here, that's when generally right wingers would point out) [Example of actual right winger claiming this origin of "cultural Marxism"]

  • Joe Biden: “Think - behind of all that, I bet you 85 percent of those [social-political] changes, whether it’s in Hollywood or social media, are a consequence of Jewish leaders in the industry. The influence is immense, the influence is immense. And, I might add, it is all to the good,” => Yes, main stream left wingers claim that most of those social changes were result of Jewish greatest efforts, so from logic perspective it makes harder for me to accuse anyone who says the same, just dislike the changes, as outlandish conspiracy theorist. (In no place I say that this estimate is true, I just point out that serious people of opposite viewpoint reached a similar conclusion)

In spite of the above I'd say, that there is some connection:

  • Believing in one conspiracy theory is a good predictor of believing in other too. It works even when those two theories are mutually exclusive.

  • There appears to be a perception that among preachers of those contentious ideologies Jews are being overrepresented (well, on this forum someone pointed out that similar perception happens for the opposite side too, on Intellectual Dark Web with notable thinkers like Steven Pinker or Eric Weinstein)

Bonus: there also prominent ideologies on the right that go mostly against antisemitism so overlap is not so strong, examples:

  • In the US hardline Evangelical Protestants tend to detest all things referred as CM, because "God in the Bible said so" they love Israel and Jews. (Yes, Evangelical Protestants have very good opinion about Jews, but it appears not to be reciprocated)
  • Even on websites considered as far right people are willing to accept studies suggesting that average Ashkenazi Jew IQ is estimated to be 110, thus higher than among Europeans (When one suspects Ashkenazi Jews of having genetically higher IQ, then it becomes hard to perceive them as inferior or be shocked by their success)
  • First argument here is weird: conceptually it might be said that all CM-believers are AS, but not all AS CM-believers. How'd you describe the resulting Venn? First bullet is brill, tho. Only the second leaves me head-scratching: I just don't get what you allude to. Bringing the biggest criticism I have: more refs please! – LаngLаngС Nov 11 '19 at 14:32
  • @LаngLаngС Venn diagram would be here of limited use because of lack of perfect overlap, I'd prefer a correlation matrix, and indeed there would be much higher than pure chance probability of those those concepts to be hold simultaneously by a particular person. However, there would be cases going absolutely against, example: in the US hardline Evangelical Protestants tend to detest all things referred as CM, while because "Bible says so" they love Israel and Jews. – Shadow1024 Nov 11 '19 at 19:24
  • @LаngLаngС OK, please point out more specifically what should be reworked. For example - I linked video to a popular moderate right-wing guru, who (obsessively :D) discuss the issue of CM, nevertheless, disappointingly that is just a term for those detested by him schools of thought. Good enough for explaining what right-wingers actually mean by this term or not specially? – Shadow1024 Nov 11 '19 at 19:38
  • "Overlap": All ducks are birds, but not all birds are ducks? CM-believer is not a fit description for an uncontradicting & exhaustive identity within antisemtism. AS is level 1up in terms of classification. (The issue of fanatical right-ot-wrong pro-Israel antisemites is actually a nice illustration.) – LаngLаngС Nov 11 '19 at 20:17
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    Improving. But numerous issues. 'Russian Nazis' are just that, only not 'German', but hm, 'Aryan Europeans'? The core belief system is identical. One big error is 'pro-Israel = non-antisemitic' Millenaristic evangelicals and others still hate Jews, ascribe to them AS stuff. ECs want 'armageddon at Mount Harmagedon, Jews dying there & then', others want to put the Jews 'in their place', and value the strategic anger towards Muslims they think that would cause. 'Pro-Israel' proves nothing! Please read Eco: "Ur-Fascism".. – LаngLаngС Nov 13 '19 at 15:23

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