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I am recalling a slogan of the John Birch Society from back, I think, in the early 60s:

This is a republic, not a democracy. Let's keep it that way!

Without starting partisan bickering, what are the arguments for considering the USA to be a republic vs a democracy?

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  • Are you asking specifically about the statement made by John and why he emphasised one in contrast to the other? In general I don't think the two are mutually exclusive but contrasting the two may be interesting. – JJJ Apr 27 at 22:29
  • @JJJ - More interested in what the accepted definitions are ,and how scholars would apply those definitions to the US government. Not interested in fighting any of the JBS's battles. – Hot Licks Apr 28 at 1:14
  • The current question is trivia. You'd get plenty of answers by simply googling the title. Is there any actual question? – Denis de Bernardy Apr 29 at 18:55
  • I've voted to close this question as a duplicate. There are at least three questions on this stack examining the distinction. – Drunk Cynic May 1 at 17:09
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Based on clarifications in the comments, I think it's safe to start on Wikipedia:

Its page on republic starts with:

A republic is a form of government in which the country is considered a “public matter”, not the private concern or property of the rulers. The primary positions of power within a republic are not inherited, but are attained through democracy, oligarchy or autocracy. It is a form of government under which the head of state is not a hereditary monarch.

Its page on democracy starts with:

Democracy is a system of government where the citizens exercise power by voting. In a direct democracy, the citizens as a whole form a governing body and vote directly on each issue. In a representative democracy the citizens elect representatives from among themselves. These representatives meet to form a governing body, such as a legislature. In a constitutional democracy the powers of the majority are exercised within the framework of a representative democracy, but the constitution limits the majority and protects the minority, usually through the enjoyment by all of certain individual rights, e.g. freedom of speech, or freedom of association.


The definition of republic certainly applies to the United States. The country isn't owned by a select group of people and the primary positions of power are determined through elections.

The definition of democracy also applies because citizens vote to exercise power. It is not a direct democracy because people vote for candidates, not specific issues. In particular, that means it is a representative democracy. It is also a constitutional democracy because individual freedoms are protected by the constitution.

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    Indeed, China is a good example of a country that is a republic, but not a democracy. – Joe C Apr 28 at 6:43
  • I've downvoted this answer for how it defines republic and democracy. Those words had very specific meanings during the Ratification of the Constitution, with different connotations. – Drunk Cynic May 1 at 17:12
  • @DrunkCynic I wouldn't expect anything less. On the other hand, note that the question does not mention the time when your constitution was ratified. – JJJ May 1 at 17:17
  • @JJJ This requires some weeds digging; How the John Birch Society addressed Republic v Democracy, putting aside how they were painted by other portions of the right, was influenced by the Founder's Approach, at least per their stated mission. The first few references for their Wikipedia page highlight the sourcing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society – Drunk Cynic May 2 at 0:51
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It helps to bring at least one additional term into the discussion: that of a monarchy.

As Wikipedia states:

A monarchy is a form of government in which a single person holds supreme authority in ruling a country, also performing ceremonial duties and embodying the country’s national identity.

Monarchies are traditionally associated with royals, i.e. kings or queens of some sort. The counterpart to a monarchy is typically seen as a republic in which the head of state does not have the same role in embodying the country’s identity (compare the status the Queen of England has with that of the president of Germany although both hold pretty much the same actual power nowadays).

While it may be difficult to distinguish a powerful, unelected, dictatorial president from an absolute monarch one would typically use the titles they give themselves (this means that North Korea is typically considered a republic rather than a hereditary monarchy).

Using the not-so entirely clear definitions, the United States are a republic because their head of state is a president (not a king or queen) who is never himself (or herself) seen as embodying the nation or country itself.


The question whether something is a democracy is on a different scale: it concerns who has the power to determine the government. In the original Greek, δῆμος (demos) means the people while κρατός (kratos) means the power (to rule). Thus, a democracy is characterised by the people (or a significant part of it) effectively and powerfully choosing how the state is to be run.

In most democracies this is achieved by an elected parliament where it is assumed that a member who does not vote in the way the electorate wants will not be reelected. Obviously, a number of caveats apply so the mere existance of a vote does not suffice to call a system democratic; but there are inherently democratic systems that do not rely on voting, e.g. if a small village (or an entire Swiss canton) decides all or most of its issues in a congregation of all people living there.

As the people of the United States elect their president, the House of Representatives and the Senate as well as a number of other positions, and since there is typically an effective choice at some point in each process (even safe seats can change against the will of the incumbent thanks to primaries, although these are muddier waters) the United States are a democracy.


It is important to note that the terms monarchy and democracy are not mutually exclusive. The United Kingdom, for example, can be classified as a democracy as the elections to the House of Commons are typically the decisive factor in determining national politics in the next five years while the Queen as head of state remains a monarch.

But it is not necessary for the position of a monarch to be hereditary; it is entirely possible to devise a system in which the people elect their monarch for a certain period while the holder of that position is considered a monarch in the full sense of the word. Obviously, indirect elections of monarchs are also possible and may be happening in our current world, depending on your precise definition.

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It's important to understand the U.S. has a lot of weird terms that don't mean what the rest of the world thinks they mean. The quoted phrase is a bit more archeic use of "Republic" in the United States, where it's best understood as a Representative Democracy. This stems from the fact that back in the Day, the United States was one of the First Representative Democracies that was also a Republic... and it did it in the time where this system of government didn't really have a name (Constitutional government was not a well known thing in the late 18th century and the United States was the first nation to adopt a constitutional republican form of government and the U.S. Constitution served as a model for most other governments that would adopt a representative democratic form of government.). With all this in mind, it's easy to understand that the term "Representative Democracy" was not a thing when the U.S. created it and they referred to the government as a Republic, not a Democracy, because they understood Democracy to be Direct Democracy... which the founding fathers loathed as much as they loathed a monarchy.

The question here is best rephrased as "The U.S. is a Representative Democracy, not a Direct Democracy." to understand the idea being conveyed. So to answer the question, yes, the U.S. is a Republic (in the sense that we do not have a Hereditary Monarchy) and Yes we are a Democracy (in the sense that we are a Representative Democracy). As it was used in context, Republic is using a unique American definition that basically means Representative Democracy (Which we are) vs. a direct Democracy (which we most certainly are not).

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Well, although I like the answer given by JJJ, It's not 100% accurate. The problem lays with the definition of a democracy. The most basic definition is "the people rule" (from the greek demos meaning the people and cratis what means to rule).

THIS IS A SIDENOTE AND NEEDS TO BE COMBINED WITH THE ANSWER OF "JJJ" TO HAVE THE COMPLETE PICTURE!!

This all comes down to how much you want to look at the details. In theory, there are no real democracies in the world. But generally people will look at what they have and call it democracy. In a true democracy all the power is in the hands of the people, and the political system doesn't make a differance between people, but this does not exist in the world. There isn't a single country where the people have all the power and the political system sees them all as equal. And before I get reactions on this of people who do not understand it, those conditions can perfectly be met in a democracy with representation, but they never are.

Here some examples of why there are no democracies.

A) The USA: 1. Has an electoral college that doesn't count all people equal. 2. Has a 2-chamber system with a chamber that doesn't count all people equal. 3. Has a elected representitive system that doesn't count all people equal. 4. Has A problem where representitives do not represent the correct views (mainly because if parties).

B) Great Britain: Many of the same problems as the USA. 1. Has an unelected chamber in a 2-chamber system. 2. Has an unelected person who holds power (monarch).

C) All wannabe democracies have at least 1 of these factors disqualifying them.

Most of these points have as effect that the direct voice of the public is not represented by the government (for example: 45% of the people are against, but the goverment goes through because they have the votes needed).

  • Do you have a point here other than semantics? – eyeballfrog Apr 29 at 17:42
  • Yes, if you define democracy in a way that excludes all existing governments, there are no democracies, but that's really not an interesting argument. – David Rice Apr 29 at 18:22
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    "THIS IS A SIDENOTE AND NEEDS TO BE COMBINED WITH THE ANSWER OF "JJJ" TO HAVE THE COMPLETE PICTURE!!" - that's not how StackExchange answers work. They need to stand on their own without relying on links, either to external sites or to other answers. – F1Krazy Apr 29 at 18:37
  • And as a Brit, I'd like to point out that our queen is a figurehead with literally absolutely no power whatsoever. Her existence does not undermine our country's democracy. – F1Krazy Apr 29 at 18:39
  • @F1Krazy Not utilizing power is not equal to not having power. According to the letter of the law she actually hold many powers including Power to call elections at her discretion. – Lovapa May 1 at 14:58

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