I don't grok the distinction in footnote 59. Can anyone pls illustrate it?

      Once it has been determined that a given Bill or provision falls within the EVEL rules, the core principle enshrined in those rules kicks in. That principle is that legislation to which the rules apply cannot be enacted unless it receives the support of a majority of all MPs and a majority of all MPs representing English constituencies.59 This regime goes beyond that which was recommended by the McKay Commission, since it enables MPs representing English constituencies to block legislation, as opposed simply to registering an objection against it. It is therefore no longer possible for legislation relating exclusively to England to be ‘imposed’ upon English MPs simply because the legislation is supported by a majority of all MPs.

59 The majority must be of the relevant group of MPs who actually vote on the matter, rather than a majority of all MPs who belong to the relevant group.

Mark Elliott. Public Law (3 ed 2017). p 258.

  • -1 for using 'grok'. – Michael Harvey Nov 29 '19 at 19:35
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    @MichaelHarvey what's wrong with grok? – Dan Scally Nov 30 '19 at 16:34
  • Not a proper word. Invented by the annoying Robert Heinlein and used in a work of fiction. – Michael Harvey Nov 30 '19 at 16:38
  • @MichaelHarvey it's in the oxford dictionary lexico.com/en/definition/grok. and what is "a proper word" to you? isn't brexit invented? – Pearl Koffman Dec 1 '19 at 9:18
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    @MichaelHarvey that's a ridiculous reason to downvote someone. – Dan Scally Dec 2 '19 at 13:38

As in, there are 650 MPs but the number required for a vote to pass is not 326, but rather 50% + 1 of all the MPs who voted. Likewise, there are N MPs representing English constituencies, but the number required is not (N/2) + 1 but 50% + 1 of whatever portion of that N actually voted

  • This is a relevant distinction because Sinn Fein MPs (of which there are currently seven) abstain from Parliament and do not take part in votes, so the number of MPs voting on something is never 650 (or at least, will not be 650 unless and until Sinn Fein no longer have MPs). – F1Krazy Nov 28 '19 at 9:36
  • @F1Krazy Nor do the speaker and deputy speakers – Caleth Nov 28 '19 at 10:52
  • @Caleth I forgot about that, but you're right, they don't vote either. So even without Sinn Fein, it still wouldn't be 650. – F1Krazy Nov 28 '19 at 10:53

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