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According to some articles, China is carrying out genocide against the Uyghur people. Others claim it is cultural genocide as its the Uyghur culture that is being eliminated, rather than Uyghurs as a nation. So which one is correct? Is it "genocide", "cultural genocide", neither, or both?

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    I really dislike questions of the style could X be classified/considered as Y? At the very least, the question should clarify the defintions to be used, but could sounds very vague as well. A better question might be are relevant authorities classifying X as Y and which authorities can be considered relevant? – o.m. Jul 19 at 4:44
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    If the definitions were clear cut, that would remove the need to ask in the first place. – Gábor Jul 19 at 17:33
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    Well, how come? Shall we mention standard examples like the Holocaust? There are surviving Jews, of course, still I don't think anybody would question whether it was genocide. – Gábor Jul 19 at 17:37
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    From your last sentence, the option ethnocide is missing. – gerrit Jul 20 at 8:47
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    @Gábor There are still people who deny it. Naturally, there are all kinds of genocide that can be denied, like the Armenian, Rwandan and many others. Just because most people agree on something, doesn't mean all people agree on something. Even acknowledging there was an Armenian genocide is a very sensitive matter in Turkey. So yes, people deny that too. – Mast Jul 20 at 11:16
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Genocide Defined

The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (the international law defining the crime of genocide) says that genocide is:

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

China has imposed measure to prevent Uyghur births

China has implemented policies designed to prevent Uyghurs from having children, a definition which satisfies item (d) of the definition of genocide. Adrian Zenz, an academic specializing in Chinese politics, authored this document which argues that China's use of forced sterilizations and IUDs for Uyghurs satisfies the legal criterion for genocide. Breaking these birth control laws is punishable by being sent to internment camps. There are also many news outlets online which describe these sterilizations and IUDs, such as this one.

This policy differs from China's more general "one child" policy. Although it uses a case study focusing on Koreans in China, this academic article explains that ethnic minorities were allowed more children. It seems that in many cases the limit was not enforced at all.

Unexpectedly, when the State increased the limit to 2 children per couple nation-wide in 2015, the birth rate for Uyghurs decreased by 84% (Zenz, ibid). Why did it decrease? Zenz (and others) report that enforcement is different. While any ethnicity is theoretically able to be forced to have an IUD, sterilization, or fined, the this punishment is largely saved for ethnic minorities like the Uyghur. Internment camps also appear to be unique for ethnic minorities, which also indicates unequal enforcement in a pretty dramatic way. Internment camps are also used to house family and acquaintances of Uyghurs who do not follow these laws.

An additional tactic reported by Business Insider: when a man is taken to an internment camp, the Chinese government may assign Chinese men to sleep with his wife and live in his house with his family. Although not related to IUD or sterilization, this is another unique policing tactic that is applied unequally to Uyghurs and the ethnic majority.

Other Stories

Outside of the legal argument, there are extant claims that China is systematically killing Uyghurs. I'm presenting this anecdotal evidence because I believe that often first hand accounts are important and under utilized on this site, but also because Uyghurs are an ethnic group that are not commonly encountered in the United States (and I suspect, other western countries).

While at the University of Kansas, I studied Uyghur language where I came to know several Uyghurs from Xinjiang, as well as an extended network of scholars interested in the politics of Xinjiang.

Several of the indigenous Uyghur acquaintances I made have never been heard from since. My instructor, as well as their family and friends, shared their own personal stories of "missing" loved ones, some of which have been missing for a decade or more. In particular, I knew Abduweli Ayup, who was a linguistics student at the time.

Though I can't vouch for the scale of deaths caused by these policies, but this information and my experience with these people supports definition (C). These disappearances are intended to destroy Uyghur people "in whole or in part".

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    Given that the Chinese government imposed birth control measures in the rest of the country too, did they commit genocide against the Han people? – JonathanReez Jul 17 at 21:28
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    @JonathanReez I'm not knowledgeable in the details of their more general policy. If the rules are the same nation wide, and they are enforced similarly nation wide, I would think probably not. I'll see if I can find if there is a difference here. – indigochild Jul 17 at 21:40
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    @JonathanReez Updated. See the later part of the section about births. – indigochild Jul 17 at 22:15
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    @JonathanReez the intent wasn't to destroy – PyRulez Jul 18 at 12:40
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    @gerrit The quote from one of the officials sure said rape doesn't happen. I definitely read the entire article as about state sanctioned rape. – indigochild Jul 20 at 15:05
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China is actively terminating the future of an ethnic minority:

The Chinese government is taking draconian measures to slash birth rates among Uighurs and other minorities as part of a sweeping campaign to curb its Muslim population, even as it encourages some of the country’s Han majority to have more children.

While individual women have spoken out before about forced birth control, the practice is far more widespread and systematic than previously known, according to an AP investigation based on government statistics, state documents and interviews with 30 ex-detainees, family members and a former detention camp instructor. The campaign over the past four years in the far west region of Xinjiang is leading to what some experts are calling a form of “demographic genocide.”

The state regularly subjects minority women to pregnancy checks, and forces intrauterine devices, sterilization and even abortion on hundreds of thousands, the interviews and data show. Even while the use of IUDs and sterilization has fallen nationwide, it is rising sharply in Xinjiang.

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While the above is not mass murder, this is still genocide: "the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group".

Separate but concurrently, China is also systematically assimilating that culture, what is referenced as "cultural genocide" (as per the DW article in the question).

So the answer to the question is both genocide and cultural genocide. But do note that saying "both" implies a kind of equality for both actions, which is wrong.

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    How is "cultural genocide" different from ethnocide? – gerrit Jul 20 at 8:46
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    @gerrit: Definitions vary; see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocide. – ruakh Jul 20 at 18:33
  • @gerrit If you see one, the other is likely to follow. ;) – Andrew Jul 24 at 20:26
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The answer is MAYBE.

The "YES" answers rely on information from a single source: Adrian Zenz.

A quick Google search reveals that Zenz is

  • a Senior Fellow in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, Washington in D.C
  • born-again Christian.

Given the above, the objectivity and fairness of anything Zenz has to say about people who call (or did call) themselves communists is highly questionable.

Furthermore, the “YES” answers fail to show that the goal of the actions of the Chinese government in Xinjiang is to destroy an ethnic group rather than to protect the population from terrorism.

To get a sense of what is really happening in Xinjiang, Zenz's propaganda needs to be compared with the opposing side's propaganda. The Chinese government claims that the problem in Xinjiang is

  • terrorism,
  • separatism,
  • radical Islam

See for example this information by the Chinese government on YouTube:

If the Chinese government's claims are at least partly true, we need to compare the Chinese government's actions in Xinjiang with how other countries, including the USA and Israel, respond to terrorism and radical Islam.

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    Can you be more clear about what, specifically, you consider inaccurate? Genocide is still genocide, even if it is "justified" by terrorism or radicalism. The fact that Uyghyrs may or may not be engaged in terrorism is immaterial to the question of whether on not China is engaged in genocide here. As for your comparison with the US and Israel, if you want to point out a double standard, you need to be more specific as to how what China is doing is the same as what the US is doing (and how the latter is not considered genocide), otherwise it's just whataboutism. – divibisan Jul 23 at 18:18
  • The "YES" answers rely on information from a variety of sources. wiki is a good place to start. Sources include UN investigations, formerly imprisoned, activist groups of relatives currently imprisoned, current/former diplomats, ... – BurnsBA Jul 23 at 20:20
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    @BurnsBA Rule #1 - never ever trust Wikipedia on anything remotely controversial. The Wikipedia article you refer to gets you back to Zenz. – ebhh2001 Jul 24 at 1:20
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    It is factually incorrect that the evidence for genocide rests on the credibility of Adrian Zenz. The AP report on Uyghur birth suppression is backed by their own reporting and editorial standards. The reporting on coerced marriages is a separate line of work entirely, etc. And it should also be mentioned that much of the key evidence presented by Zenz is independently verifiable (and in some cases was independently verified by the AP). – Colin Jul 24 at 3:13
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    @ebhh2001 I disagree. It's the effect of destruction of a group that makes it genocide. If China is fighting terrorism by destroying a people, it's genocide, even if you think it might be justified. The killings by the US in the "War on Terror", while terrible and very questionably justified, did not come anywhere near to destroying a people. Israel's actions against the Palestinians come much closer and, in fact, they often get accused of committing, or coming close to committing, genocide – divibisan Jul 24 at 15:17

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