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What other determinants are they using to make the call?

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    Worth noting here that Biden did indeed win Virginia, save for potential mail votes. Commented Nov 4, 2020 at 11:14
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    Possible duplicate/definitely related: politics.stackexchange.com/questions/13037/… Commented Nov 4, 2020 at 13:49
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    Is it worth clarifying what "AP" means (esp for non-US readers)? Looks like it's "Associated Press", from the link in the answer...
    – SusanW
    Commented Nov 4, 2020 at 17:13
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    @SusanW: AP is basically the US's national wire service.
    – Kevin
    Commented Nov 4, 2020 at 17:42
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    @SusanW, yes AP stands for associated press. Their website describes their company as a cooperative - journalists from media companies all over the US contribute stories to them for publishing. It is not associated with the US government as Kevin may have inadvertently suggested when he used the words "national" wire service.
    – CramerTV
    Commented Nov 4, 2020 at 19:07

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The AP has a lengthy explainer on their methods on their website.

According to an article by the New York Times, the AP has its own network of local reporters providing their own information:

The A.P. bases its determinations on the work of more than 4,000 freelance local reporters who collect vote counts from clerks in every county of the 50 states. Those local reporters phone the results to The A.P.’s vote entry centers, which are virtual this year because of the pandemic. More than 800 vote entry clerks assess the data, checking with the reporters about any anomalies, before entering it into the A.P. system.

A race caller in each state examines the counts with an analyst at the A.P.’s politics team in Washington to determine when a winner can be declared. Two editors sign off on every call, Ms. Buzbee said. And when the time comes to name the winner of the presidential race, The A.P.’s Washington bureau chief, Julie Pace, has to sign off.

Based on that, I think it's safe to say that the AP acts as a black box making it hard to say why they make a specific call precisely. The reason the AP is used by many news outlets is because of its long trackrecord in calling races correctly. As the New York Times article continues:

“The A.P. has a track record going back over a century of thorough, careful vote counting and cautious practices when it comes to calling races,” said Arnie Seipel, NPR’s supervising political editor. “They also have a decision desk with vast resources to do this kind of data collection and analysis. So by relying on The A.P., we are able to invest more of our resources into original reporting, instead of trying to replicate what they do.”

As for the AP making a call for a candidate who is behind in the current count, that would indicate they are basing their call on other data. Indeed, some calls are made as soon as the polls close, the AP writes the following about that:

Not all races are closely contested. In some states, a party or candidate’s past history of consistent and convincing wins – by a wide margin – make a race eligible to be declared as soon as polls close. In these states, we use results from AP VoteCast to confirm a candidate has won.

To be sure, AP will not call the winner of a race before all the polls close in a jurisdiction. And we remain committed to using results from AP VoteCast with great care and caution, applying the same standard of absolute assurance to a race call made at poll close as we do all others.

Specifically regarding Virginia in your question, I think it wasn't really in play (based on polls cited by fivethirtyeight). As such, the AP might have called it as soon as the polls closed without taking into account current results at all. In that case, the current count doesn't really matter because it mostly represents the order in which ballots are counted (often favoring smaller counties early on). Of course, the order in which results are reported doesn't influence the end result in which all ballots should be counted.

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    – Philipp
    Commented Nov 6, 2020 at 11:52

Basically, states are grouped into three categories:

  1. States where the outcome is inevitable. No sensible person would expect Wyoming to go for Biden, or expect Washington DC to go for Trump. These are called as soon as the polls close, without even waiting for them to start reporting results.

  2. States where the outcome is likely. These are called once early returns show the state is matching projections. The returns don't need to be representative or state-wide: for example, if Biden is losing by no more than expected margins in heavily-Republican areas, with few or no ballots yet counted in heavily Democratic areas, a state might still be called as a Biden victory.

  3. States where the outcome is unknown. These are generally only called once one candidate's lead exceeds the margin of error, or once there are too few uncounted ballots for the outcome to change.

The New York Times has published an official statement from the AP saying that Virginia falls into the second group.

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    Washington D.C. is not a state, it's a district. But I get what you mean.
    – Pliny
    Commented Nov 4, 2020 at 4:32
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    @GarretGang, for the purposes of the presidential election, the 23rd Amendment makes it a state: "A number of electors of President and Vice President equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives in Congress to which the District would be entitled if it were a State".
    – Mark
    Commented Nov 4, 2020 at 4:41

The AP explain their reasons for calling Virginia (and other states) on their page EXPLAINING RACE CALLS.

Essentially in early stages Trump was shown leading the count as Republican counties reported first but results matched their modelling.


The AP declared Democratic nominee Joe Biden the winner of Virginia at 7:31 p.m. EST, after results from early returns and an AP survey of the electorate showed the former vice president had beaten President Donald Trump in the state.

With about 53% of the vote counted statewide at 11 p.m., completed counts in a representative selection of precincts in communities across Virginia showed Biden comfortably ahead of Trump.

Those results matched data from AP VoteCast and an analysis of early voting statistics. The survey found Biden with a substantial lead in the state. VoteCast, the AP’s wide-ranging survey of the American electorate, captures voters’ choices and why they made them.

Trump jumped out to an early lead in Virginia because many Republican counties reported their results first. But much of the remaining ballots left to be counted were cast in population-dense Democratic areas near Washington D.C., including Fairfax and Prince William counties.

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    I think the last paragraph is the real answer - they knew the remaining precincts to be counted were heavily favored towards Biden. And given the number of ballots and percentage of margin left to be counted they could add those to the existing tally and comfortably make the call.
    – CramerTV
    Commented Nov 4, 2020 at 19:01

One of the aspects of this that makes it a little confusing is that the percent reporting does not refer to the number of voters but rather the precincts. I've managed to find two data sets for the number of precincts per locality and the population per locality in Virginia that help to illustrate the difference.

When we divide the population by the precincts we get average people to precinct ratios that range from 365 (Highland County) to nearly 5900 (Harrisonburg). Note: this is population, not voters. Looking at the entire set as a histogram we can see how these diverge:

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So while between 4000 and 5000 people per precinct is the most common ratio, more than half of the precincts (62%) represent less than 4000 people. Or in other words 63% of the precincts represent less than 50% of the population. In addition 90% of the precincts represent 85% of the population which matters in tight races.

Now combine this with the following:

  • localities with lower population/precincts are generally more rural
  • rural areas are more likely to vote republican
  • we can reasonably expect precincts that serve less people to finish counting faster
  • mail-in voting is more common this year and those votes skew democratic

And you get a situation where the counts in republican dominated areas tend to be reported early. If we conflate the precinct reporting with votes counted, it possible that it can even appear to be mathematically impossible for a candidate to catch up when they can easily do so in actuality.

The above plays directly in to the question because the AP is very experienced in calling elections. I'm sure they are aware of this. They also have journalists who are very familiar with the elections bureaucracy and are able to get information about unofficial count estimates. They can then use those estimates in models that allow them to makes these calls reliably even before the votes are complete. So while it may appear to the uninformed that things are going for one candidate, they are able to see past that.

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    That the % is for precincts rather than vote is a very useful insight.
    – Jontia
    Commented Nov 5, 2020 at 16:58

They're able to do that based on analytics, statistical models and the state of current results. I'll give a hypothetical.

There are 150 total projected votes, in a total of six districts, 25 votes each. Past voting, demographics and polling show expected trends in how the votes will split out.

Four out of six districts are done, two have portions outstanding. 127 votes are in, 23, or slightly more than 15% are not reported yet, you are winning, 51.2% to 48.8%. 65 to 62 in total votes. I'm down by three.

The two districts remaining have traditionally been strongholds for my party at a 2 to 1 level. A wide variety of polling has shown that probable voters prefer me at a 2 to 1 level. Most importantly, results, thus far, favor me 70/30 in one, 65/35 in the other, 2 to 1 in aggregate thus far. Exit polling on voters, overall, including ones where their official vote has not been reported, show a 2 to 1 preference.

It seems like the predicted model is holding up well. If votes in thus far seem off from predicted scenarios, one would not feel certain about the remaining votes. Same for exit polling. For the remaining votes, if they fell 56 to 43 (if I underperform by 10%, you overperform by 10% from average expected patterns), I'd pick up five votes, and be the winner. If things go according to "normal", I'd pick up seven votes. If I overperform by 10%, I pick up 13 votes. (NOTE - disparities in how much the vote changes in scenarios that seem to be evenly spaced from each other are due to rounding to whole people, since I can't pick up a fraction of someone's vote).

Things are performing to norms, and in the pessimistic, expected and optimistic scenarios for remaining votes, they all show me getting enough votes to win.

The analysts tell the talking heads on the news they can call it for me, even though I'm currently trailing.

The same thing is true if someone is winning, but there's barely any votes in - if one person needed to overperform in certain ways, or is underperforming from what's needed, then there's little to no chance of them capturing those votes, even though only a small portion of the vote is in.

It's not just about the count in, it's not just about the count outstanding, but it's also about the demographics, history and voting trends for what is in and outstanding.

Hypothetical analysis

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