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What does the constitution prescribe in a situation where there is a 50-50 Senate, the president passes away or resigns, and the vice-president becomes the president? Section 2 of the 25th amendment states that a new vice-president (who, under those circumstances, would also be the Senate tiebreaker) is chosen by the majority of both houses of Congress. Since the senate is 50-50, there's a heightened possibility of a tie, so would the vice-president be allowed to cast a tie-breaking vote for his successor before ascending to the presidency? Or would the vice-presidential vacancy only happen after the ascension, at which point the vice-president no longer has the Senate vote?

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In a word: no.

The Vice President becomes President immediately upon the death, resignation or removal of the President. At that moment, he loses his tiebreaking vote in the Senate.

If a vote to confirm a successor is tied 50-50, and there is no Vice President to break a tie, then the confirmation would be defeated as there is not the required majority.

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There would be no vice president in that situation so the vote would be a tie. Unless there was able to be some sort of deal made another candidate would need to be chosen to fill the seat of vice president or it would just remain open until the next election.

https://prologue.blogs.archives.gov/2017/02/10/the-25th-amendment-succession-of-the-presidency/

There have been 16 times, totaling 38 years, that the Vice Presidency has been vacant. This has been due to the death or resignation of the Vice President, or when the Vice President has assumed the Presidency after the death or resignation of the President.

https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Vice_President.htm

In 1947, after the vice presidency had been vacant for most of a presidential term, Congress again changed the line of succession. Concerned that cabinet officers had not been elected, it named the House Speaker as the first official to succeed if a president died during a vacancy in the vice presidency, followed by the president pro tempore.

It should be noted that there was not a VP from April 12th 1945 until January 20th 1949 when Truman took office after the 1948 election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vice_presidents_of_the_United_States

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How would tie votes in the Senate be resolved if there is no VP due to the VP assuming the presidency?

The resolution of a tied vote is the same whenever the VP cannot or simply does not vote, whatever the reason. Possible reasons include

  1. as noted in the question, there might be no vice president;
  2. the vice president might be out of town or otherwise unavailable; or
  3. the vice president might simply choose not to vote even while presiding over the senate.

In any case, the resolution is quite simple: the senate always votes on questions that may be answered "yes" or "no." For the question to pass, a majority of the votes must be "yes" votes. If the yes and no votes are tied, there is no majority of "yes" votes, and the question does not pass.

Can a vice-president vote for his successor in the Senate before becoming president under the 25th amendment?

No. The successor must first be nominated by the president, so even if we assume (contrafactually) that there were some time after the president's death or departure during which the vice president remained vice president, there could be no vote in the senate for the VP's successor because there would be no president to nominate anyone. The successor cannot be nominated until after the vice president has become president.

Or would the vice-presidential vacancy only happen after the ascension, at which point the vice-president no longer has the Senate vote?

Yes, this is how it works. To be more specific, these events must occur in this order:

  1. The president dies, resigns, or is removed from office.
  2. The vice president takes the presidential oath of office.
  3. The former vice president nominates someone to be the new vice president.
  4. The senate votes on the confirmation of the nominee.
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  • But - to be extremely pedantic - how do we know that the VP, upon becoming acting president, doesn't also continue to be VP (thus being entitled to cast a tie-breaking vote in the Senate) until a new VP is confirmed? – Brian Feb 23 at 20:07
  • @Brian this question does not concern instances in which the VP becomes acting president. It asks specifically about the president's death or resignation. In those cases, the VP becomes president, not acting president, and ceases at that point to be VP and therefore president of the senate. – phoog Feb 23 at 23:30
  • I'm sorry, I must have used the wrong terminology. Suppose the president dies and the VP becomes president. To be extremely pedantic, how do we know that the president doesn't also continue being VP until a successor is confirmed? – Brian Feb 24 at 18:27
  • @Brian it's not explicit, but clearly nobody ever imagined that anyone would consider that the same person could be both vice president and president, so nobody imagined it would be necessary to specify that the VP ceases to be VP upon becoming president. The fact that the provision for vacancy in the vice presidency immediately follows the provision for the VP to assume the presidency also implies this. It's hard to imagine anyone asserting this line of reasoning, and harder still to imagine that such an assertion would be successful. – phoog Feb 25 at 0:05

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