Example headline: 'Greatest debacle that NATO has seen': Biden stuns allies with Afghanistan mistakes expected of Trump

"You know, it is not the European Union who decided to leave Afghanistan," Borrell replied. "It has been a decision of [former] President [of the United States, Donald] Trump, who negotiated this with the Taliban. And this decision has been implemented later by the following American administration ... And this could have been managed in a better way, for sure."

Considering that the European Union (not to mention Australia/New Zealand) are clearly capable of projecting power to Afghanistan - that's how they are evacuating their citizens after all - why are they blaming the US/Biden/Trump? It feels like if they think it's a bad idea to leave Afghanistan on the timetable set by Biden/Trump, then they could have replaced the US deployment with their own; since they didn't, they are equally at fault for the result. Accordingly, they should blame themselves (as well as the US).

I am looking for an explanation as to why the rest of NATO are apparently unable to intervene if the US does not participate. If such an explanation does not exist, then I am looking for an explanation as to why the rest of NATO are blaming the US.

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    Fear not, if the Taliban follow through on their announced policy intention to again halt opium poppy production (as the previous Taliban briefly did 2000-2001), some country will step in and do what is necessary.
    – Pete W
    Commented Aug 20, 2021 at 23:50
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    Because it is a war the US started but decided to get out without consulting with the allies, I believe.
    – r13
    Commented Aug 21, 2021 at 14:24
  • @r13 the US made the withdrawal timetable schedule public, didn't they?
    – Allure
    Commented Aug 21, 2021 at 14:30
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    Also, Biden has inherited the Trump Plan for the US withdrawal but without carrying through the conditions set by Trump, who stated the withdrawal will stop and the fight can restart with more forceful forces if the Taliban does not live up to its promises, however, Biden ignored it, so the blame shall bear by whom?
    – r13
    Commented Aug 21, 2021 at 15:15
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    @divibisan I don't think NATO was adequately involved in the decision-making which usually a partner deserves.
    – r13
    Commented Aug 22, 2021 at 3:36

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Simply put it, non-US forces don't have significant bases in the region to substitute the US in this kind of time frame. Quoting from FT:

Biden administration officials had consulted with allies as they sought to unstitch Trump’s isolationist approach. On Afghanistan, however, some alliance members complained that Washington presented them with a fait accompli.

“This was discussed at length, and the US listened, but Biden had made a political decision,” said one person familiar with the withdrawal planning.

Once the decision was formalised, the UK, Turkey and Italy were keen to find a way to keep forces in place to help stabilise Afghanistan. But this was considered impossible without the vast military infrastructure provided by the US, notably air support from the US-run Bagram air base north of Kabul.

Nato secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg insisted there had been “no willingness” from other European allies or from Canada to fill in for the US once it announced its withdrawal plan.

“We must realise that when it comes to the Nato mission to Afghanistan, it was not possible to have an independent role for Germany or the European forces,” Merkel said on Monday. “We always said that we are basically dependent on the decisions of the US government.”

Also, the EU, France in particular is engaged in its own "forever war" in the Sahel (where the US plays a supporting role--one drone base; 800 personnel by one account), and France in particular is looking for a way to reduce the scale of that mission (peaked at around 5,000 soldiers), as it turned out fairly unpopular at home, after a while. (News this summer is that they were aiming for about half that. Of some further note, there are also some 12,000 UN peacekeepers in the region [MINUSMA in Mali], mostly African troops; their task is somewhat different, i.e. not "hunting terrorists", but they've been declared fair game by some of the groups, and sustained a couple hundred casualties, more than the French force lost...)

  • simply put? respectfully, NATO troops could have easily taken over US bases in Afghanistan. Like Bagram and sundry. The bases were not an issue by themselves. The French intervention in the Magrheb is worthwhile but is linked to a whole lot of history before. Commented Aug 20, 2021 at 7:19
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    @ItalianPhilosophers4Monica: they would have had to bring over aircraft and all that jazz. Post 2015, the US was increasingly relying on airpower in Afg as they were reducing troop numbers. Alas I can't find much data on the French air deployment in the Sahel. (Aside: the more shocking part is that the US only trained 30 Afghan pilots since 2015 politico.com/news/2021/07/10/biden-afghanistan-air-force-499020) Commented Aug 20, 2021 at 8:03
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    Also, the Europeans lack badly in the drone department, even more so in the armed drone department warontherocks.com/2017/09/the-french-turn-to-armed-drones Apparently, the whole French air force that supports the Sahel mission is made of seven jets and three drones (plus some helicopters) news.yahoo.com/niger-leader-calls-frances-sahel-145533839.html This would be totally inadequate in Afghanistan, compared to what the US had over there. Commented Aug 20, 2021 at 8:38
  • (+1) Some NATO countries sent transport aircraft and staged some special operations from an airport secured by 5000 US soldiers. 5000 is the size of Barkhane (much closer to the homeland and with low-intensity fighting) and that's ignoring capacity gaps in logistics, airlift, drones, etc.
    – Relaxed
    Commented Aug 20, 2021 at 8:59
  • There's an article from a couple of days ago in which Merkel says Germany wants to keep evacuating people from Kabul but needs US support to do so. That indicates that the rest of NATO isn't really capable of projecting power to Afghanistan. I don't know how much of it is down to not having bases, however, and I note the FT source you cite doesn't say it's bases either. I'd guess it's something to do with equipment, but I don't know what kind.
    – Allure
    Commented Aug 28, 2021 at 2:53

The US decided to invade Afghanistan on its own, only the UK participated to the first phase of the war. Then they asked the NATO members to support the occupation, the other countries provided troops and money, not leadership, that remained firmly in American hands. All the important decisions since then have been taken in the US.

Even on the civilian side the US kept the lead, the first President since the US occupation was handpicked by the US and confirmed by elections with little credibility. Also his successor who was elected in the following, not more credible, elections has always had strong connections with the US who helped him join the World Bank in 1991.

Note than even if the other NATO countries provided less troops than the US, they provided a lot more money which was supposed to be used for the reconstruction.

I am looking for an explanation as to why the rest of NATO are apparently unable to intervene if the US does not participate.

Why should they invade a foreign country? If you are referring to the argument of the world policeman that is just propaganda. In past and recent history every country intervened in other countries just to protect their interest. There have never been world policemen.

  • Why should they invade a foreign country Are you interpreting the quote you made as "why the rest of NATO cannot invade Afghanistan without the US"? Because that is not what it was referring to; it was referring to the ongoing pullout.
    – Allure
    Commented Aug 21, 2021 at 14:28
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    @Allure That does not make any sense. The NATO troops were completely withdrawn, the troops defending the diplomatic mission had no mandate to intervene, only the US kept their drones flying over the contry and a small group of trainers and other officers together to those in charge for the embassy protection. That is why I didn't take into account a NATO intervention now.
    – FluidCode
    Commented Aug 23, 2021 at 12:37

Quoting Tacitus

This is an unfair thing about war: victory is claimed by all, failure to one alone.

NATO losses, 3,502 have been overwhelmingly US-side(2400), with Canada (157) and UK (456) suffering the bulk of the rest. Not coincidentally, Canada and the UK did a lot of the fighting alongside the US initially, but withdrew in the past. Losses, which corrected for Canada and the UK's population, were quite comparable to US sacrifices.

The rest of the NATO missions left in 2021 were not in fact a deterrent to the Taliban, as was probably predictable in advance. They have neither the airpower nor the airlift capability to project a large force semi-permanently in Afghanistan. And European public opinion would most likely not have supported such a mission if it involved extensive combat.

The ANA should have held, maybe. But as it didn't, without the US, the country collapsed.

Many are upset at the takeover by the Taliban, from women's groups to Europeans, to Americans. To, of course, the Afghanistan. And NATO+US veterans too, but they did sacrifice, so they certainly have a say.

From the linked article:

German politician Armin Laschet, the heir-apparent to outgoing German Chancellor Angela Merkel, described the situation even more harshly.

“This is the greatest debacle that NATO has seen since its foundation, and it is an epochal change that we are facing,” he said this week.

Seems pre-positioning for an election campaign is a time for strong language.

It is very regrettable that the Taliban have taken over, but the people doing the regretting expected the US to foot the bill for the foreseeable future, with no exit in sight.

One can certainly argue that the US had obligation towards the Afghanis. However, had the US not invaded - entirely at its own initiative and for its own reasons - in 2001, those same Taliban would have remained in power. After the Soviets' whipping, it was clear that as much as the world was aghast at Taliban behavior up to 2001, no one was going to intervene militarily. Not until 9/11.

There is a lot of soul-searching to be done, certainly. By the successive American administrations (the military did its bit), most of all. By the Afghanis? Perhaps, considering ANA's collapse, except it would be blaming the victims of what's likely going to be a bloody Taliban mess in the future. But for NATO to absolve itself of any blame goes right back to the Tacitus quote above.

As to the greatest NATO challenge?

Article 6 1 For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer; on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.

Is Afghanistan in any of these? No. Will it embolden challengers like China and Russia? Perhaps. But, much like Vietnam before, a massive long term commitment of US forces in an area of secondary concern does not happen in a vacuum - US troop and equipment readiness is weakened in its capability to resist its likely peer enemies. It is far from certain Russia and China would not have preferred a continued drain on US resources, even if they will benefit from a loss of US prestige, confidence and influence.

And you can, of course, intra-American fingerpointing. Reps will blame Biden. Dems will blame Trump. Bush's decision to go after Iraq without finishing Afghanistan will, deservedly, get scrutinized. But perhaps the greatest blame is to be put on the US congressfolk that, right after the Afghanis kicked out the Russians in 1992, decided not to fund any relief for their formerly useful allies.

Last, if this debacle motivated non-US NATO members to fund their defense to the agreed-upon 2%? One can certainly hope.

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    Luxemburg is certainly not doing their part! :-D
    – YetiCGN
    Commented Aug 20, 2021 at 11:11
  • I haven't DV your answer, and it is fair criticism to say that the European members of NATO can't project more power in Afghanistan by themselves (even if they wanted to, right now) because they haven't spent enough over the years, so e.g. while the US was able to move an aircraft carrier to the Arabian Sea (leaving Taiwan "undefended") to compensate for the lack of bases during the evacuation, the Europeans probably couldn't even muster that. Commented Aug 21, 2021 at 0:49
  • It seems they left the "Taiwan job" to the UK though, in the meantime edition.cnn.com/2021/07/30/asia/… So I suppose it is fair to ask why the UK is more interested in Taiwan than in Afghanistan... Commented Aug 21, 2021 at 0:52
  • N.B., this was the first time since the Korean war the UK did such a thing spectator.co.uk/article/is-britain-heading-for-war-over-taiwan Commented Aug 21, 2021 at 1:04
  • "regrettable that the Taliban have taken over, but the people doing the regretting expected the US to foot the bill" Well, it was their war, so why not? :) "with no exit in sight" Yep, never a reasonable expectation that.
    – Pelinore
    Commented Sep 11, 2021 at 17:07

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