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Is there any relation between “rouge-brun” and “anarchisme de droite”?

It seems to me there should not be, because the former mixes socialism and far-right nationalism, while the latter mixes anarchism (or radical individualism or egoism) with aristocracy (aristocratic values and capacities).

On the other hand, they have many I common such as mixing two traditionally opposed ideologies from the left and the right, being a bit “fringe”, etc.

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    Can you edit this to explain what those terms are, for anyone unfamiliar with them?
    – F1Krazy
    Sep 5, 2023 at 14:48
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    "rouge-brun" is generally derogatory term, or at least the English equivalent of it is. At least as applied to "MAGA communists" last year, LOL. Sep 5, 2023 at 15:26
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    "Anarchisme de droite" is something of an umbrella term. It seems to include "national-anarchisme" as a variant. The latter clearly has in common with "rouge-brun" a fair amount of nationalism, at least in practice. Sep 5, 2023 at 15:53
  • OTOH even French wikipedia isn't terribly consistent what “anarchisme de droite” might mean. Their page for national-anarchisme says it is a form “anarchisme de droite”, but the latter page is a much more confusing writeup with doesn't seem to mention national-anarchisme, except to say that's something else, LOL. I suspect different [French] authors use “anarchisme de droite” in different ways. Sep 5, 2023 at 15:58
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    Seems to me that this is taking vague colloquial terms, from a foreign language, used mostly to criticize supposed adherents, and then debating about their exact meaning. Angels dancing on the head of a pin and all all that. If we can't even agree to have questions about the definition of Communism, why should we be discussing much vaguer and less significant terminology? Sep 5, 2023 at 19:30

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They don't seem to be just "a bit fringe". If my French and my translator don't lie to me then "anarchisme de droite" is essentially the brain child of 1-2 people (one used it the other wrote about that person), the rest of it's "proponents" doesn't even know of their involvement in the "movement" or agree being grouped with that and isn't using the terminology.

Also the French article describes it as less of a political movement or a coherent ideology but rather of some "sentiment", trying to combine some individualist, anti-parliamentary and non-conformist themes with otherwise "traditional values" (whatever that means, but which apparently includes "aristocratic principles").

Despite the implication it has no ideological connection to individualist anarchism which focuses on the individual, but is nonetheless anarchist and does not promote the individual freedom that subjugates the rest, while right wingers usually do allow for such inequalities.

So in other words it seems to use "anarchism" not in it's defined political sense, but merely as some broad "against the system"-vibe. It should come as no surprise that anarchists reject their usage of the word as anarchism.

And a similar problem occurs for rouge-brun, red-brown or red fascism label. Where brown is the color of the Nazis and red that of the Communists (Socialists and historically also anarchists though they often go with black now) so to indicate a common base of the far right and the far left.

Most of the time that seems to be a pure exonym, meaning others call them that, no one calls themselves that. Some even go so far as to call that a liberal scarecrow to fight off both of it's enemies at once, despite the fact that it makes little to no sense.

Other examples include former "leftists" becoming far-right, though not keeping their leftist ideals, so they are just brown not red.

Some examples include left or right wingers trying to appeal to members of the other faction. Such as the KPD (German communist pary in Weimar Germany) praising a mythologized terrorist during the occupation of the Ruhr territory or far right groups pretending to be socialist.

Or last but not least movements that include far left and far right actors without a dedicated political group identity such as the yellow vest movement.

In neither of these cases does any actually coherent red-brown ideology exist. Nor do groups consider themselves red-brown or consider both simultaneous as part of their group identity. And attempts to appeal to the other group have been largely unsuccessful and short-lived.

So "rouge-brun" isn't really a coherent ideology but rather a label that is applied to things on a case by case bases.

The general problem is that none of the "ideologies" (rouge-brun or anarchisme de droite) makes the least bit of sense. The far left rejects social hierarchies, while the far right promotes them. So if you do both at the same time you're inevitably doing one wrong (usually the left part is ignored, though if the right promotes leftist values but doesn't follow through in their method you might also adopt the rightist label but do leftist stuff, though that is more rare).

So as neither of that makes any sense, it's likely futile to compare the ideologies and look for contradictions as their existence is already a contradiction and that didn't stop them. On the contrary if they were able to promote one such nonsense they might even do it again. So the most likely connection would probably not be in terms of ideas but people, but so far I couldn't find a name that appears in both articles.

Though for obvious reasons if you go by purely semantic conclusions then you could label anarchism as far-left (doesn't really make sense as this faction forming and aiming for power isn't really a hallmark of anarchism, but from the perspective of the current system that would be the closest fit) and you would label idk the anti-semitic conspiracy theories and the aristocratic principles (whatever that means so likely nothing good) as far-right and so you could apply the exonym of rouge-brun.

Though just because that's how words work, that doesn't mean that it makes the least bit of sense in terms of what these words mean in the political context and you'd be doing anybody a disservice doing that.

PS: Also if you would do play these semantic games, then anarchism would no longer be exclusively far-left meaning you'd need to start anew. So no they just don't make any sense and are usually not self-descriptions or of such insignificant groups that an update of labels makes no sense.

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    Loved your answer
    – Starckman
    Sep 7, 2023 at 4:14
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The farther one heads into the political fringes, the more the conventional Left/Right dichotomy breaks down. That makes this question a little problematic. But speaking generally, Rightism invokes a hegemonic power system in which one (worthy, entitled, or superior) group holds the lion's share of political, social, and economic power, while Leftism invokes (sometimes ridiculously) broad notions of egalitarian liberty. The main difference between Left-anarchism and Right-anarchism is that Left-anarchism bases itself on philosophical principles of mutual respect — a defined social contract that does not rise to the level of law — whereas Right-anarchism allows people to freely pursue their interests, even if those interests have a deleterious or oppressive effect on others.

Now fascism is intrinsically Rightist, in that the entire purpose of a fascist movement is to secure hegemonic power for a particular ethno-nationalist group. To the extent we can talk about rouge-brun (red fascism), we have to see it as the effort of a particular group or party to secure hegemonic power for itself over and above the interests of the rest of the people in the nation. It's really a misnomer, since ruling Leftist parties do not generally see themselves as an ethnic (or otherwise ontologically defined) group; it's better to call them ideological nationalists than fascists (i.e., ethno-nationalists). And fascism itself is definitely a form of Right-anarchism: i.e., a system in which the hegemonic group is more-or-less exempt from formal rules and laws, while other groups are strictly subject to them. But not all Right-anarchism is fascist.

This far out in the anarchic fringes, the issue really boils down to this: Who has to obey laws, who doesn't, and what's the justification for that difference? Left and Right are more flavorings here than real political distinctions.

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Communo-Fascism (red-brown) refers to the similarity between the Communist and the Fascist ideology in that they aim at suppressing individual rights (aka economic and social liberalism) in the name of a greater good - like the benefit of a certain social class, nation, "people", etc.

Anarchism was historically a left-wing ideology, closely associated with the Communism - indeed, the split between Marx and the Russian anarchist leader Bakunin was the reason for the demise of the First Communist International. (Incidentally, Bakunin was among the first to point out that Marxism was a totalitarian ideology, bound to end in a dictatorship worse than anything that the world had seen till then - long before Lenin and Co were even born.)

In this sense, right-wing anarchism similarly reflects similarity between certain trends in anarchism and right-wing thinking - mostly denial of any authority (although Bakunin and his followers believed that humans were naturally prone to cooperation, while right-wing is more likely to embrace some form of social Darwinism.)

Another curious hybrid is Christian Communism.

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