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It is understandable that Israel is opposed to Iran developing nuclear weapons given the comments made by Iranian leaders. However, how precisely does Iran developing nuclear weapons threaten American interests? I doubt, after all, that Iran would be able to develop ICBMs capable of targeting America.

One argument is that Israel is an ally and hence we should support it; however, if the sole threat Iran's nuclear program poses to the U.S is the threat it poses to Israel, why is the Israeli-U.S relationship so important strategically the U.S should go out of its way to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, with Obama indeed having affirmed in the past that "all options are on the table". Why exactly would a U.S president offer to risk the lives of American soldiers by threatening a preventative war on behalf of another nation?

In particular, what role, if any, does the Israel lobby play?

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    The key here is the massive Israel lobby. – Joze Jul 22 '15 at 9:01
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    Iran has a space program. Their current Shahab-3 missile, which is intended to be able to carry a nuclear payload, can reach from about India to the Ukraine, and they're in the process of developing ICMB's and orbital rockets. – Avi Jul 22 '15 at 9:03
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    "I doubt, after all, that Iran would be able to develop ICBMs capable of targeting America" - is there any rational basis for this doubt? Iran is a fairly large nation with good industrial, technical and scientific capacity. If USSR could do it with the primitive engineering and technology of 1950s time (and at this point, private companies in the West able to put stuff in orbit), having a country like Iran in 2015-2020 do it is far from improbable. Hell, they could just buy the technology off Russia or China. – user4012 Jul 27 '15 at 1:59
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    Also, Israel lobby plays a great deal of role in worrying about Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. That's pretty much all they do. – user4012 Jul 27 '15 at 2:01
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    Good question. The vast majority of Americans actually have no quarrels with Iran but somehow think they do. Despite being a democracy, the US government is actually acting on behalf of a very small group of people. As a matter of fact and throughout history, small groups imposing their will on the majority by means of propaganda and competitive networking is often the rule, not the exception. – George Chen Jul 15 '17 at 15:56
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Iran is (fairly successfully) trying to be a regional hegemon - in a region which is vitally important to world economy, both due to oil resources AND maritime trade.

If it obtains nuclear capability, the strategic threat to USA isn't ICBMs (although, your lack of faith in Iran's ability to obtain ICBMs is somewhat laughable[1]) - it is:

  1. Ability to threaten the other countries in the region into submission - most notably, Saudi Arabia and the rest of its Sunni allies. If successful, Iran would control ~66% of OPEC's total oil reserves (>50% of world's) based on OPEC's own data.

  2. Ability to supply nuclear devices to terrorist groups, since providing military support to terrorists is a standard strategy for Iran since 1980 (see tha latest events in Syria and even later, Yemen).

  3. Ability to reduce United State's ability to project power in the region (if you force US bases out of ME countries and threaten US carriers with nuclear-tipped Silkworms or better antiship munitions, you basically deprive US of much of its ability to project force that way).

  4. Nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel, assuming Israel does have nuclear capacity that everyone assumes they do. Obama may not grieve too much if a couple million Jews kick the bucket (or may be he does care, stranger things have happened) - but the economy of USA would surely feel a major kick if retaliation nuclear strike takes out a large portion of oil reserves and/or production.

As far as your laughable leading question about Israel lobby, you'll note that Obama met a lot more with Saudi Arabian leaders than Israeli ones on the topic. Call me skeptical, but I seriously doubt that Israel lobby is deeply concerned with Iran as a strategic threat to KSA. Nor are they privy to strategic retaliation plans by Israeli government that would affect #4 scenario.


[1] - regarding ICBMs: they were successfully developed by 1950s USSR (devastated by WW2 with primitive science, technology and computing); and by North Korea (with no resources to speak of). And delivery to orbit was also developed by small private companies in 2000s as well. Contrast that to Iran, with a large and well developed economy (which will get a steroid boost now that Obama gave away many billions in sanctions); well developed industrial capacity and advanced science and engineering and deep human resource pool. And really, they don't even need to build from scratch. Russians (or North Koreans, or China) would gladly spread their ICBM wealth around in exchange for cold hard cash, not to mention an ability to stick some sand in USA's gears.

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    This is a convincing and well thought out answer. I will therefore accept it. However, the tone is somewhat facetious in my opinion. The notion that there exists an Israel lobby which significantly influences U.S foreign policy is one which has in fact warranted scholarly attention. It is not at all laughable or, as some would argue, conspiratorial. – Insert Pseudonym Jul 27 '15 at 16:50
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    @InsertPseudonym - think rationally. Lobbies can act one of 2 ways: by giving lots of money to elections (which Israeli lobby lacks, not being nearly as rich as Arab lobbies); or threatening that their constituents would vote for opponent (which they can't since most Israelis don't vote in US elections; and most US Jews votes are virtually locked-in to Democrats for the last 100 years, for domestic reasons). If you bother learning actual facts, most of pro-Israel slant in US politics is due to Christian evangelical politics, which has very little need to be swayed by Israeli lobby. – user4012 Jul 28 '15 at 2:17
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    I don't know why people talk about Iran's missile capability so sure as if they have visited military bases themselves, or maybe you're relying on Wikipedia pages or news from other unreliable source..etc etc. If Iran had developed for example a shahab-5 missile would they create a Wikipedia webpage for it? I've heard some people talking about Iran's airspace like it's a football stadium that any insect like fighter jets can freely come, bombs us and leave? Seriously, If you think like that in case of a war god knows what happens to you. – Conspiria Jul 28 '15 at 20:17
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    "As far as your laughable leading question about Israel lobby, you'll note that Obama met a lot more with Saudi Arabian leaders than Israeli ones on the topic." Seriously? Saudi Arabia is a U.S. puppet and a virtual ally of Israel. In the comments, you say the Israeli lobby lacks the money to influence the U.S. political system. Again, that's absurd. – David Blomstrom May 11 '17 at 2:10
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    @ Insert Pseudonym - "It is not at all laughable or, as some would argue, conspiratorial." I agree it isn't laughable, but I'm tired of the endless suggestions that there's something wrong with conspiracy. If you're suggesting that the existence of an Israeli lobby is more than a conspiracy THEORY, then you're correct. But, technically, the Israeli lobby could indeed by described as conspiratorial, similar to the U.S. government. Conspiracy is a fact of life; it's increasingly how our socio-political system works. – David Blomstrom May 11 '17 at 2:15
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Meersheimer published a book, The Israeli Lobby and US Foreign Policy, in 2007. In the last chapter he covers Iran. He writes:

Iran's nuclear ambitions do not pose an existential threat to the US. If Washington could live with a nuclear Soviet Union, a nuclear China or even a nuclear North Korea then it can live with a nuclear Iran.

I think whilst Meersheimer is correct here, there is a great deal to be said for applying political pressure to prevent the proliferation of nuclear arsenals to countries which harbour nuclear ambitions, but do not have them. A little earlier, he writes:

Iran is widely seen as [Israels] most dangerous enemy as it's the adversary most likely to obtain nuclear weapons. Virtually all Israelis regard an Islamic country in the Middle East with nuclear weapons as an existential threat. The Israeli Defence minister, Binyamin Ben-Eliezer remarked one month before the Iraq war "Iraq is a problem ... But you should understand, if you ask me, today Iran is more dangerous than Iraq"

Sharon began publically pushing the US to confront Iran in Nov 2002, in a high profile interview in The Times (London). Describing Iran as the "centre of world terrorism" and bent on acquiring nuclear weapons, he declared that the Bush administration should put a strong arm on Iran "the day after" it conquered Iraq.

In late April 2003, Ha'aretz reported that the Israeli ambassador in Washington was now calling for regime change in Iran. The overthrow of Saddam, he noted, was "not enough". In his words, "America has to follow through. We still have great threats of that magnitude coming from Syria, coming from Iran.

I imagine he no longer views Syria as posing a threat. Meersheimer concludes his book by writing:

It is not surprising that Israel & it's American supporters want the US to deal with any and all threats to the security of Israel. If their efforts to shape US policy succeed, then Israels enemies get weakened or overthrown, Israel gets a free hand with the Palestinians, and the US does most of the fighting, dying, rebuilding & paying.

He asks the question: "can the Lobby's power be curtailed?" And answers this by saying:

this is not going to happen any time soon. AIPAC and it's allies (including Christian Zionists) have no serious opponents in the lobbying world. They know it had become more difficult today to make Israels case and they have responded by expanding their activities and their staff ... [moreover], major media outlets will remain sympathetic towards Israel no matter what it does.

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    Why does Israel see a nuclear Iran as an existential threat when Israel is itself a nuclear country? Assuming that the Iranian leadership are not suicidal or insane (unlike, say, Kim Jong-un), it seems (to me, at least) like the threat of MAD would be sufficient to keep Iran from attacking Israel. – Sean Apr 4 '18 at 21:18
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The answer to your question lies within the relationships between Israel and the West.

Some thinkers in their books such as “Zionist Christianity and fundamentalist America” (Persian translation: مسیحیت، صهیونیست و بنیادگرای آمریکا ) and “Jewish Messiah” have tried to elaborate the goals and programs of Christian Jewish union, in particular in west, especially United States of America, and highlighted its religious and strategic aspects and claim that the old "America’s strategic support for Israel” and “the influence of Jewish lobby in decision-making and supporting of the Jews in the west” analyzes are not convincing and that the eternal support of Israel has more links than military, political, security or economics and in fact the relationships between Jewish Zionists and evangelical Christianity has origins in their religions and culture and their belief in the future of the world is based on the theology of nuclear Armageddon and the final war in the Middle East.

There is another trend in America’s power structure contest that is called “extreme-right Neoconservatism” . the new generation of Neoconservatisms have emerged with the beginning of Reagan’s presidency and culminated in the presidency of George bush (son). this trend has legacies like the collapse of Soviet Union, declaration of “New century America” and design and execution of the invasion of Iraq. This group calls America the greatest power in the world and thinks America’s culture is the most original one. They also try to make America dominate the world and like Jewish Zionists, support Israel regime and to protect it they proposed the “Great Middle East project” in which Israel is the center of it.

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The third great power of America are Jewish Zionists that are gathered together as the name of Jewish American residents. powerful lobbies like AIPAC that are defenders of profits and interests of Zionist regime in layers of decision-making system of America, are manifest evidences of their will and power over America. The strategic goal of Jewish Zionism with the aid of their incredible deep roots in America’s society, is the never-ending support of America for them and supporting the programs they have in the world. Ever since Israel was invented, those reasons made America support Israel In terms of military and economy, made them support that regime in International societies and disavow any statement made against Israel regime in the United Nations and veto them in the United nations security council and force America’s allies to also support Israel regime and accept their demands.

Active presence and the money of Zionists in the America’s election


One of the things Zionists rely on is their high influence on America’s different elections. Two things make Jewish Zionists to have determinative role on America’s election, especially America's presidential election. First thing is the 90% participation of them in the election and the second is money. Jews are very active in elections, they collect financial help from people and let America use their media tools. Newspapers like New York times, Washington post, wall street journal and television channels like CBS, NBC, ABC and even CNN are all under influence of Zionists and in election all of these medias are directed towards the favorite candidate of Israel.

That is why presidential candidates race against each other to gather Israel’s support. In 1976, Carter with the help of “Edward sanders”, chief of AIPAC, became the president of America but after 4 years and with the support of the same lobby of him, he failed. The cause of that is an approval of an anti-Israeli statement that “Donald McHenry”, the America’s ambassador in the United Nations, on behalf of Carter supported it. But Reagan used exactly the same thing to get Israel’s support and hey became America’s president for the second time in 1984, because he removed Jew’s taxes and he brought Israel into NATO. Also Clinton more than Bush (father), was serving Israel, in a way that in 1996 he succeeded to get 78% of their votes.

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    The reason for the many downvotes you get is likely that you are spewing conspiracy theories, and the sources you are providing are biased and unreliable. – Philipp Jul 24 '15 at 10:29

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