Timeline for How do Trump's public statements make DOJ's job impossible?
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| Feb 18, 2020 at 18:38 | comment | added | BobE | @MontyHarder IMO The "president" is a person whereas "the presidency" is a elected political office. I think that Hobbs (above) has conflated the two - that is what I pushed back on ("that the president doesn't have rights"). On that you and I are in agreement | |
| Feb 18, 2020 at 16:06 | comment | added | Monty Harder | @BobE "The President" is a political office, which denotes political powers. It's correct to state that "the President doesn't have rights" provided that is properly understood [ex officio, qua "the President"]. It's not correct to state that a person who becomes President has no rights [loses all the rights he has as a citizen]. But as phoog says above, the intersection of these two entities in one person creates constraints. | |
| Feb 18, 2020 at 13:23 | comment | added | doneal24 | @Henrique The Attorney General of the US is appointed by the President and serves at his pleasure. Historically, the President does not give direct orders to the DOJ but the line of power is present. Trump claims that he has the absolute right to micromanage the AG and he is probably correct. | |
| Feb 18, 2020 at 13:20 | comment | added | doneal24 | @puppetsock Just to pick one tweet, Trump said the DOJ recommended "a ridiculous 9 year prison sentence" for Stone. I'll admit that the tweet used "ridiculous" instead of "idiotic" in talking about the work of Barr's office. Trump's many criticisms of the Mueller investigation, also under the purvue of the DOJ also come to mind. | |
| Feb 18, 2020 at 6:08 | comment | added | phoog | @MontyHarder the thing is that DJ Trump, citizen of the USA, and President Trump are the same person. That person has both rights and powers. He also has some responsibilities and other obligations, so his rights and powers are somewhat circumscribed by these obligations. For example, his right of free speech is somewhat constrained compared to that of private citizens. But it isn't completely constrained. | |
| Feb 17, 2020 at 23:35 | comment | added | BobE | @MontyHarder I was responding to Hobbs (above) who asserted that the President "doesn't have rights" see his comment | |
| Feb 17, 2020 at 21:17 | comment | added | Monty Harder | @BobE Donald J. Trump (citizen of the USA) has the right of free speech, right to worship as he pleases, etc. President Trump has powers. See the difference? Sometimes it's tricky separating the exercise of personal rights and exercise of political power. That's one reason some of us like using different words for those two things. | |
| Feb 17, 2020 at 21:02 | comment | added | zibadawa timmy | @Henrique If it it's a part of government but isn't Congress itself or a court, then it's under the Executive branch. The constitution makes it clear that Senators and Representative are the only members of the legislative branch, and so that branch cannot be expanded beyond them. Whereas the Executive branch can be arbitrarily expanded by Congress. And as the President is the head of the entire Executive branch, he controls it all. It's been argued he is, in some sense, the entirety of the Executive branch, insofar as all its powers are in fact his. | |
| Feb 17, 2020 at 19:39 | comment | added | JBentley | @hobbs The role of president is usually filled by a human, and humans have rights. Therefore presidents who are humans have rights. | |
| Feb 17, 2020 at 15:51 | comment | added | Henrique | "When your boss tells you that your actions are idiotic, I assume that you then continue what you're doing without changes?". @doneal24 can you elaborate? I'm not American, but it seems strange to me that the Chief of the Executive Power be "the boss" of the Justice. In other coutries that would be innaceptable, it would break the principle of Independence of the Powers. | |
| Feb 16, 2020 at 20:21 | answer | added | Charles E. Grant | timeline score: 2 | |
| Feb 16, 2020 at 19:34 | comment | added | Asteroids With Wings | Just because you have the right to do something, doesn't mean you should do it, nor that there exist no consequences for yourself and/or for others. | |
| Feb 16, 2020 at 18:38 | comment | added | TaW | No doubt that Trump has a right to express his opinion That is is by far too little doubt. He has taken on obligations and if and when expressing opinions conflicts with these obligations this right certainly is at least 'in doubt'. Mr. Trump doesn't seem to understand the concept of having obligations, however. | |
| Feb 16, 2020 at 5:23 | comment | added | BobE | @hobbs - are you seriously asserting that the President doesn't have 1) right of free speech, 2) right to vote, 3) right to worship as he pleases, etc etc? | |
| Feb 15, 2020 at 18:53 | answer | added | Lawnmower Man | timeline score: 7 | |
| Feb 15, 2020 at 18:03 | comment | added | hobbs | The President doesn't have rights. The President has powers. | |
| Feb 15, 2020 at 8:46 | answer | added | Patrick | timeline score: 3 | |
| Feb 15, 2020 at 5:27 | answer | added | Joey Joystick | timeline score: -8 | |
| Feb 15, 2020 at 3:01 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackPolitics/status/1228514601429544960 | ||
| Feb 14, 2020 at 23:41 | history | became hot network question | |||
| Feb 14, 2020 at 23:13 | history | edited | BobE | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 14, 2020 at 18:08 | answer | added | Ted Wrigley | timeline score: 124 | |
| Feb 14, 2020 at 17:06 | comment | added | puppetsock | Might be helpful to list some of those statements. | |
| Feb 14, 2020 at 16:48 | answer | added | Jontia | timeline score: 37 | |
| Feb 14, 2020 at 16:26 | comment | added | doneal24 | When your boss tells you that your actions are idiotic, I assume that you then continue what you're doing without changes? | |
| Feb 14, 2020 at 16:10 | history | edited | Rick Smith | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 14, 2020 at 16:05 | answer | added | jeffronicus | timeline score: 12 | |
| Feb 14, 2020 at 15:41 | history | asked | BobE | CC BY-SA 4.0 |