Timeline for Why don't countries welcome high energy prices to fight climate change?
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| Oct 19, 2022 at 22:07 | comment | added | Criticizing Israel not allowed | @JamieB Consider that many large factories already use large amounts of electric power (as well as non-electric power). Trains use electric power. Is a crane much worse than a subway car? Another point: that bulldozer doesn't run at maximum power all the time - in fact, an electric one can save energy because it doesn't need to idle. If you just listen to a construction site you can realize a lot of the equipment in use idles at quite a high speed so the hydraulic power is available at the few moments it's needed. | |
| Oct 19, 2022 at 20:13 | comment | added | Joe W | You are correct there are limits today but that doesn't mean those limits won't change as technology improves. | |
| Oct 19, 2022 at 18:34 | comment | added | JamieB | @JoeW Power output definitely isn't the problem. It's power input. Same reason you can't run a bunch of 1500W space heaters in your office. You could trip a circuit breaker. You could burn the building down by melting wires. There are limits to what the local grid can handle, too, not to mention the overall grid. There is no technical limitation, but don't underestimate the amount of retooling required to enable you to plug in construction equipment. Quick google... 900 hp bulldozer = 671 kW. At 250kW/acre, you need 2.7 acres of solar panels per bulldozer.) | |
| Oct 19, 2022 at 18:26 | comment | added | Joe W | With the goal of replacing all vehicles with electric there is no way they won't do that with construction equipment as well as you can get much more power out of an electric motor then you can a gas/diesel engine. | |
| Oct 19, 2022 at 16:41 | comment | added | JamieB | @JoeW Replacing construction equipment remains to be seen. They are enormous power hogs and current grid usage does not account for them. I'm not entirely sure you even CAN put a construction crane on the grid. How much electricity would that use? Can the local wires even handle that much? What size lithium battery runs a construction crane for 4 hours? afaik, these do not exist even as concepts today. | |
| Oct 19, 2022 at 16:35 | comment | added | Joe W | You are forgetting as we move to more green power sources including vehicles we will no longer have issues such as diesel pollution from construction equipment. Trying to ignore that fact isn't being very honest. Sure it is an issue now but it will not be an issue as we progress. | |
| Oct 19, 2022 at 16:28 | comment | added | JamieB | @user253751 Do they? Citation needed. I'm citing my sources. Let's see yours. | |
| Oct 19, 2022 at 16:27 | history | edited | JamieB | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 19, 2022 at 16:25 | comment | added | Criticizing Israel not allowed | @JamieB was anyone using it as a serious reason to object to replacing fossil fuels (which produce far more waste) with wind turbines? | |
| Oct 19, 2022 at 16:24 | comment | added | JamieB | @user253751 Not true -- those were just the top articles I got from a quick google search. If you look at the "References" section of this paper you can find all kinds of articles dating back over a decade about this topic: repository.cam.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/1810/263878/… | |
| Oct 19, 2022 at 15:52 | comment | added | Criticizing Israel not allowed | Notice that the stupid theories like "wind turbines bad because garbage" only came up once Russia really wanted to sell a whole lot more oil. | |
| Oct 19, 2022 at 15:40 | history | edited | JamieB | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 19, 2022 at 14:10 | comment | added | JamieB | @Allure I see it as all connected, though: higher prices aren't arbitrary. They are driven by either changes in fossil fuel availability or by switching to "climate friendly" energy sources. I think people would welcome higher prices with open arms, as the OP states, if it was justified. It is not justified, is the point I am making. It might even be justified against mass implementation of wind and solar (we are paying more AND damaging the environment while we do it. I added links to show where this is coming from.) | |
| Oct 19, 2022 at 14:03 | history | edited | JamieB | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 19, 2022 at 13:52 | comment | added | JamieB | @Philipp Every answer in here is an opinion. The question was why people don't welcome paying more. The answer (one of many) is because the cost has not been justified or proven to be the solution to the problem (it might make the problem worse). Disagreeing with a political opinion does not mean it doesn't fit the community. | |
| Oct 19, 2022 at 13:48 | comment | added | Philipp♦ | @JamieB I think you misunderstand the purpose of this community. This is not an opinion exchange. Here we answer objective questions on politics and poltical processes without indulging in our personal opinions on the subject matter. For more information, check the help center article "What topics can I ask about here?". | |
| Oct 19, 2022 at 13:45 | comment | added | JamieB | @Philipp This being the Politics exchange, it's the political answer: it's why I oppose it and I see no reason to think it's a "small minority of people" who agree with me. If you want to raise people's cost of living, you must justify it, and the solar/wind movement has failed to do so, which is why OP is noticing the problem. If this was Skeptics, I would dig up more proof, but as a political answer I believe it's sufficient. Public sentiment and all. | |
| Oct 19, 2022 at 9:31 | comment | added | Philipp♦ | Is this actually the answer to the question, or just a reason why a small minoritry of people oppose regenerative energy? | |
| Oct 18, 2022 at 23:25 | comment | added | Allure | Convincing people to pay more for electricity The idea in the OP Is to get people to use less, though. | |
| Oct 18, 2022 at 20:22 | history | answered | JamieB | CC BY-SA 4.0 |