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It is claimed in a November 6th, 2024 instagram post by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez that

in regimes like that, it is not uncommon to jail political dissidents or legislative opponents.. this is the world we very realistically may be entering

Question

Does POTUS have the power to "jail political/legislative opponents" or is this an unrealistic exaggeration?

What I know so far

My (layperson's) understanding is that:

  • the separation of powers helps prevent instances of tyranny by ensuring checks and balances,
  • constitutional protections should ensure minimal protections and that bogus laws can't be (easily) invented in order to entrap opponents, and
  • judicial oversight would necessitate multiple different bodies all with different mandates to conspire in order to carry out such an act

Note

  • Alternative video source (slightly easier to navigate to relevant section of video - statements at approximately 1 minute).
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    De jure or de facto power? What one may (is allowed to) do by law vs. what one can (is able to) do?
    – Lag
    Commented Nov 8 at 14:50
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    Possible duplicate of politics.stackexchange.com/questions/42357/… Commented Nov 9 at 19:54
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    For the sake of clarity: are you asking whether POTUS could do this personally and unilaterally, or indirectly by stacking the justice system? My interpretation is the former, but at least one user has gone with the latter interpretation and had their answer deleted as a result. Perhaps you could clear this up for us?
    – F1Krazy
    Commented Nov 11 at 16:12

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In India, we have a saying - the process is the punishment.

That is, you don't even need to convict a political opponent under a case - the whole process of foisting a real / fake case on them, arresting them with huge media publicity, and continue lambasting them in the media as they go through the judicial process trying to defend themselves is itself a punishing process that can be enough to distract a political opponent.

In fact, we saw this with Trump too, pre-election - he was embroiled in multiple cases, with lots of negative publicity, and you could see that he and his campaign really felt hassled fighting court cases and facing the public at the same time. (Note: I am not claiming the cases against him were without merit).

While there are enough checks and balances in the system to prevent an autocrat from freely using State power against an opponent, the system is also flexibly built under the assumption that only leaders with democratic values will be wielding those powers (but, as we are finding out in this millennium, that isn't true any more and autocratic leaders do tend to abuse the system a lot).

As President of the US, Trump will have a lot of influence over all investigating agencies and even on the judiciary (through judicial appointments). He can certainly abuse this power to harass his political opponents including jailing his opponents with real / fake cases. How much he abuses his power will depend on his own idea of how much power he thinks "the majority" have given him, how much space the democratic institutions allow him to abuse this power and how much the opposition in the US can mobilise the people against him to make him think twice about misusing the system.

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    @Kvothe - It hurt him immensely. Imagine how big a landslide he would have had if his attention hadn't been somewhat divided?
    – Valorum
    Commented Nov 8 at 16:45
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    That's a more solid answer, IMHO. He can certainly try to launch investigations, especially if there is any substance to any accusations - like say tax evasion. After all, he does have precedents on his side there. Commented Nov 8 at 16:59
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    @Kvothe Since the list of US Presidents who have multiple criminal cases in progress at the time of election has precisely one entry, that's not really possible. But it was very well reported earlier this year that whilst Biden was on the campaign trail, Trump was forced to be sat in court. That he managed to get elected anyway is not in question, but it is also unquestionable that it reduced the number of days he could attend campaign rallies. If you think campaign rallies don't achieve anything then of course you might be right.
    – Graham
    Commented Nov 9 at 8:45
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    @Graham I've been on the receiving end of a baseless prosecution (albeit for economic competition rather than political), and the process hurts one's ability to compete immensely. The psychological stress is massive. Of course, now that the political establishment has practiced with the tactic, this list is very likely to grow in the future.
    – Therac
    Commented Nov 9 at 23:55
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    @Valorum "It hurt him immensely. Imagine..." - I prefer to work with empirical data rather than imaginary data, and we just don't really know how much of an effect it had on the results (beyond being able to say it didn't make him lose). And Trump's case is very different from someone targeting rivals, because the charges progressed independently of whether he stayed in the race. Whereas for someone targeting rivals, it's very much contingent on them being/staying in the race, and potentially using legal processes to sabotage that race.
    – NotThatGuy
    Commented Nov 11 at 9:37
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It's not important whether the President can legally do these things, because the rules are so easily circumvented.

In theory the Judicial Branch and the Department of Justice are independent of the executive branch. But in reality the Attorney General (head of the Department of Justice) is appointed by the President, and can be fired at any time if they do something the President disapproves of. In theory the President cannot and should not influence the decisions of the Attorney General, but in reality if they get together in a room where there are no recordings it's virtually impossible to prove it happened. It's also impossible to prevent a President from choosing to appoint only an Attorney General who will do what he says.

There are two checks and balances that are supposed to prevent this (apart from the assumption that Presidents and Attorneys General will behave honourably). Those are 1) the impeachment power of the legislature 2) the ability of the electorate to vote out a President who violates this rule.

President Trump has already signalled his willingness to violate the independence of the Department of Justice by threatening to prosecute his enemies, and to get the cases against himself thrown out. It is virtually certain that his new Attorney General, whoever it is, will abandon all cases against Trump. If that doesn't happen feel free to downvote, but I'm confident that won't be the case.

In the current climate it's hard to imagine that the legislature would impeach and convict Donald Trump for doing those things. And the American electorate have already shown that they are OK with a President who commits criminal acts and interferes with judicial independence. In any case the posts by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are intended to state that President Trump will indeed try to do these things, and will probably get away with it, unless there is action by the electorate - such as voting in Senators and Representatives who would in fact impeach him if he did them. Ultimately the responsibility to prevent Presidential abuse of power lies with the electorate.

With thanks to @264champagnebottlesonice, many Republicans promote the "Unitary Executive Theory, in which the Justice Department isn't even theoretically independent of the Executive. They could certainly use this to persuade the legislature - and possibly the courts - that he was justified in directing the Justice Department to do anything he wanted.

The above shows how the President could prosecute his political enemies: and as sfxedit correctly points out, simply prosecuting someone can cause them significant trouble, even if they are eventually exonerated. However the judges (and jury) would decide actual guilt or inocence in a case. But the President also has the power to appoint judges, especially Supreme Court justices who would be expected to ultimately decide a high profile case. Three of the nine are already Trump appointees, and were selected for their views sympathetic to Trump. It is likely that he will appoint more and more judges who agree with his views.

(For anyone thinking this doesn't answer the question, the question was not "Can a President legally do this" it was "Does a President have the power to do this." Those are two different things.)

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    I think that many in GOP even reject that theory that the DOJ is independent even in theory -- they prefer "unitary executive", etc. Commented Nov 8 at 17:11
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    @BryanKrause I'm betting that the FDA independence will change if RFK jr is in charge of health. Commented Nov 8 at 22:56
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    The primary check would ordinarily be for judges to refuse to cooperate, and/or to prohibit the President and his men from taking these actions. But this only works is there are not enough judges in the right judicial posts who are willing to cooperate with the President's actions given some dubious, but colorable, legal theory to justify the action.
    – ohwilleke
    Commented Nov 9 at 0:27
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    @BryanKrause There's a profound difference between "the President usually lets them get on with their work, in the interest of the country as a whole" and "the President can't tell them what to do, or at least dismiss key staff on the spot and appoint people who will do as they're told".
    – Graham
    Commented Nov 9 at 8:51
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    @ohwilleke: It's not just judges refusing to act that Trump has to worry about. It's also judges running out the clock. He has four years, starting in January, to prosecute whoever he wants to prosecute, and then that's it, somebody else will be president, and who knows if that person will want to continue whatever Trump started? We've already seen from the Trump cases that prosecutions can easily go for months or longer, so four years is long enough to get a basic case through, but maybe not if everything goes up to SCOTUS and back.
    – Kevin
    Commented Nov 9 at 16:27
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The answer is not clear.

Precedents were created during the Global War on Terror. If the government can designate individuals as terrorist with limited legal oversight, and then apply 'extraordinary measures' to terrorists, then it can apply those measures to anyone. Applying the GWOT precedents to US citizens, and especially to US legislators, would clearly shatter precedent. But the legality would have to be tested by the Supreme Court.

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    The Supreme Court seems to be the check and balance here. Has a president ever ousted members of the court in order to get the verdict they were after? Sounds like something they could do but not quietly and possibly not within four years? More concerning, would extraordinary measures be legally challenged before they are applied or after? (if the latter, it renders the court much less effective as a check and balance)
    – stevec
    Commented Nov 8 at 6:46
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    FDR tried to add extra members to get the verdict he was after. (There being nine justices is just tradition, it's not actually a requirement.) As I recall this idea was roundly criticized and never went anywhere.
    – Cadence
    Commented Nov 8 at 7:06
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    @SebastianRedl But if President-elect Trump can get the votes in the House and Senate, couldn't he pack the court instead so the Supreme Court rules however he wants?
    – cocomac
    Commented Nov 8 at 7:09
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    Recent rulings of the court that was packed diuring the last tenure of trump leave me not very hopeful of this court not ruling in favour of trump (the horrifying "immunity case" comes to mind)...
    – kruemi
    Commented Nov 8 at 9:43
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    @Cadence the number nine is indeed a requirement, not a tradition, but it is a statutory requirement, not constitutional. Changing it requires an act of congress, not merely presidential action.
    – phoog
    Commented Nov 8 at 10:00
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Current answers ignore both recent and historical precedents.

The US has a long history of looking the other way when a President wants to imprison an inconvenient political enemy.

Consider Eugene V Debs, Socialist political candidate and anti-Woodrow-Wilson activist, who was imprisoned for speeches encouraging draft resistance (even when carefully worded not to violate the already-First-Amendment-limiting anti-sedition laws passed in the context of World War I). Or anarchist activist Emma Goldman, who was also imprisoned for encouraging resistance to the draft--and, before that, for distributing information about birth control, in violation of the still-on-the-books Comstock Act of 1873.

Or consider Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus during the Civil War--allowing the government to imprison people without demonstrating cause and to conduct military trials.

These laws are sometimes repealed and sometimes upheld, and sometimes stop being enforced. But they never go away entirely, and we are currently at a political moment where such actions are more likely to be permitted.

Specifically, the Supreme Court ruled in Trump v United States (2024) that the US President has absolute immunity from prosecution for acts carried out in office related to his core powers, as enumerated in the Constitution.

Of course, the office of President includes being Commander-in-Chief of the US Armed Forces.

Thus, the Court has issued a precedent that says there would be no legal recourse against a sitting President if he, for instance, directed the Army to place his political opponents in a military prison (or have them assassinated, etc).

Is this absurd, wrong, a clear abuse of power? Yes, of course. That doesn't change that it is what the opinion said; if you disagree, don't blame me, take it up with John Roberts.

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    Both your examples occurred during wartime, when normal judicial rules are habitually suspended. And your later paragraph misrepresents what the Supreme court judgement actually said. Commented Nov 8 at 22:59
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    @DJClayworth The USA is pretty much always at war somewhere.
    – gerrit
    Commented Nov 9 at 21:56
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    Those were actual declared wars where different rules apply. Commented Nov 9 at 22:04
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    @DJClayworth He could declare war on "the America-hating enemy within" or claim the "crisis" at the border counts as a war.
    – gerrit
    Commented Nov 11 at 7:47
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    @sonnenhund The Constitution gives the US President exactly the authority that the courts decide it does. Trump claims that the Insurrection Act (1807) gives him the authority to do so, and this Court has shown no sign of disagreement.
    – Tiercelet
    Commented Nov 11 at 15:55
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In a practical sense, a US administration has plenty of options to "go after" their political opponents.

Consider the 2013 scandal where the IRS, under the Obama administration, specifically targeted tax exempt organizations based on their politics.

Or the 2016 FBI investigation into the trump campaign.

Even the most over the top dictators will usually cloak their behavior with some sense of legality, usually by stretching some existing law to apply to their political opponents. You can find a litany of examples throughout history of this scam playing out.

It helps when the legal system has extremely broad laws that can snare almost anyone, like the US legal system. It's just not usually used to snare the political class, who have usually been given the kid gloves treatment when it isn't something egregious and impossible for the machine to sweep it away.

The tldr is that while there's no inherent power in the presidency to jail people at will, their de facto power over the justice department gives them enormous potential to conjure up charges against political opponents. Charges that might very well stick, by virtue of our laws being very broad, and if they find a friendly judge that accepts some of the wild stretches that prosecutors sometimes engage in to make the suspect fit the crime.

Case in point, one potential Trump pick for AG has already insinuated they might charge Letitia James with conspiracy against rights.

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    I'm pretty sure your IRS example is nothing. I remember some Limbaugh-radio-type told Tea Party'ers to start tax-free political groups but gave them the wrong instructions. IRS higher-ups issued a memo in case they got a ton of wrong-in-the-same way applications. But Nixon used the IRS to hurt his opponents, so you could use that. Commented Nov 8 at 21:41
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    The 2016 case is also a non-example. Investigations into Trump regarding events surrounding the election result and a number of other issues in 2016 were entirely appropriate from an objective external perspective.
    – Nij
    Commented Nov 9 at 2:35
  • If they can't jail people at will, how do you explain Guantanamo Bay?
    – gerrit
    Commented Nov 9 at 21:54
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    @gerrit That's actions outside the US, which disables a lot of checks and balances. I think that's beyond the scope of both the question and this answer.
    – toolforger
    Commented Nov 10 at 17:30
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    The one about Obama and IRS is false! Lots of TEA-party chapters were established, and apparently a list of instructions circulated that told them to use a specific form to register them and get tax-exemption. However, it was the wrong form, a form that specifically couldn't be used to register political organizations - which was clearly stated on the form! That's why they were investigated! Why not democrats? They didn't have a similar groundswell of new chapters, nor did anyone tell them to register any using the wrong form. Commented Nov 11 at 7:34
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At the end of the day, it all boils down to physical coercion, and at the end of the end of the day, because it is best equipped and trained, it hinges on the military.

Imagine a war — not a third world war but one that is a bit more serious than the ones of the past 80 years. The President, supported by his party, claims that a "fifth column" is operating within the U.S., uses the domestic threat as a reason to instate emergency measures, starts ruling by executive orders, rounds up the opposition and puts them into camps. The Supreme Court decides to hear a petition for habeas corpus and rules the imprisonment unconstitutional. The Office of Legal Counsel, referencing legal scholars like like John Yoo, rejects the Court's authority, claiming the executive prerogative of the Commander in Chief in war times. The court subpoenas the President with threat of contempt of court. The President refuses to produce the prisoner.

Stalemate.

Who wins?

The one who has the army on their side. The subpoena — indeed, any contested law! — is useless if it cannot be physically enforced.

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A POTUS that uses any means necessary and ignores the limits of the law and constitution may have that power granted him.

A POTUS that upholds and defends the constitution is limited to using the powers and laws given by his office.

If a political opponent has gone outside lawful and constitutional means, the fullest remedy is death for treason. It is the courts that ajudicate that.

Those found guilty would have to rely on the mercy of the POTUS, or God himself.

This is only going after one's political opponents if applied asymmetrically, or those opponents are also enemies of the constitution and therefore the American people whose allegiance is to the constitution.

In this case if one is calling enemies of the people, such as those that perpetrated 9/11, political opponents, then the powers are indeed severe and are only limited by the mercies of God.

If there are errors in this simple explanation please let me know with reason in the comments.

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No, not at the current time. Political opponents or political dissidents would be able to claim First Amendment protection.

Now, it is not impossible that US checks and balances would erode past the limit where this became possible. But that is not the case as of now, it is not what most of Trump's electorate voted for and aiming to do so would create real risks for Trump. Overreach is what sunk McCarthy for example.

This type of breathless claims by Ocasio-Cortez is just the flip side of the discourse of fear and loathing that got Trump elected, despite his well known shortcomings.


This answers the question, which is phrased in the present tense : "Does POTUS have the power...?". It does not attempt to speculate on what might happen in the future. Nor is it claiming that Trump has no such intent. It is merely contrasting current laws and precedents to Ocasio-Cortez' claims.

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    First Amendment protection doesn't necessarily equate to freedom from imprisonment. Sometimes, first amendment questions won't be settled until trial. Furthermore, it's not inconcevable that the purported crime could be unrelated to anything the accused has said. It brings new meaning to the phrase "trumped-up charges."
    – phoog
    Commented Nov 8 at 10:47
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    First amendment protection for what? You seem to be assuming specific charges that they'll be prosecuted for.
    – Barmar
    Commented Nov 8 at 15:17
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    Ocasio-Cortez' claims are about the future. By your own admission, you're not answering the question. If you think the Q is silly or unanswerable due to its focus (on the future), vote to close it. Commented Nov 8 at 16:32
  • @264champagnebottlesonice I did VTC. It is both aim to discredit and opinion-based. Even if the top voted answer engages in future speculation, the question is, again, phrased in the present tense. If the OP wants to ask about future evolutions, let them rephrase it that way. Commented Nov 8 at 16:34
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    What does this have to do with the first amendment? The question doesn’t ask whether people can be jailed for expressing opposition, it asks whether people who express opposition can be jailed. Even Capone was jailed for tax evasion, after all. Commented Nov 8 at 17:45
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Not really. Otherwise Biden and company would have squashed Trump by now.

But a president with a nominally favorable congress and senate has initially enormous power to create political isolation on any public critics: other politicians, judiciary and media know they are tilting at a heavy windmill by appearing to support criticizing the president. Resistance has to be largely covert or else very common-sense based if made public.

A very deft president (like Clinton) can survive - even prosper a bit - against an opposing congress & senate. And a dictatorial president could make a mess of relations with congress and especially the senators and lose support for bills close to the heart of their presidency.

On important issues related to the everyday economy the congress members will constrain the actions of a president: they have to watch their re-election every 2 years. On foreign policy, defense and trade agreements the senate has to approve major decisions.

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    Criticism of the President has to be covert? Have you looked at what is and was regularly being said about Trump, about Biden, about Obama, by their opponents from virtually their accession to office? Commented Nov 8 at 23:01
  • I mean by seriously ambitious congressmen and senators. People who want to "move on and up" in the political scene. Criticism has to be measured, rational and plausible.
    – Trunk
    Commented Nov 9 at 13:50
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    Trump accused Obama of not being an American citizen. Very early. Are you claiming Trump didn't want to "move on and up"? AOC is criticizing Trump right now. Do you think she doesn't want to move on and up? Commented Nov 9 at 14:19
  • Trump gets away with these things - privilege of a sociopath or laziness of rest of us to challenge it according to your viewpoint. AOC wants to be in the limelight. Not sure she's equipped for moving on and up or knows how to build wide support. Most congress members go to law school along the way. But AOC seems to think she can make it on her own terms.
    – Trunk
    Commented Nov 9 at 17:49
  • While most politicians were getting their perfectly ordinary law degrees AOC was doing outstanding, internationally recognised, work in science. Commented Nov 9 at 17:53

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